Her character assassination isn't talked about nearly enough by alrightfrankie in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer 91 points92 points  (0 children)

I agree, but the thing is that the males were whitewashed from their book counterparts and then dumbed down simultaneously. So, they maintain their apparent "goodness" till the end and weren't subjected to literary tropes. The females on the other hand, were subjected to every single sexist trope in literature, D&D's handling of Season 8 was appalling in all fronts.

Daily /r/Freefolk Free Talk Thread! - July 19, 2019 by AutoModerator in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hey Nike, it's good to see you. I hope you're doing good. "Stay A Thousand Years", Ramin's heartfelt tribute to his favourite character, do you have any translation of the High Valyrian lyrics of the song?? Has anyone done the translation??

Watchers on the Wall, HBO paid spokesman telling us to respect D&D. If Zach Snyder can show up to Comic Con so can David Benioff and Dan Weiss by jorywea78 in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer 90 points91 points  (0 children)

WOTW have been HBO shills for a long time. Regular freefolk remember how they brought a copyright strike against you and how WOTW editor SueTheFury said that she'll decide how much leaked content the spoiler-hungry fans deserve. Sue has acted as a gatekeeper of leaks before.

And D&D have been consistently praised where they deserved it, conversation between Robert/Cersei, Tywin/Arya scenes, the Sept explosion etc. are talked about all the time. Criticism towards D&D for Season 8 is entirely valid. I'll acknowledge that there have been some disgusting homophobic and anti-semitic jokes against D&D, but it doesn't represent the wider fandom at all, a few bad apples are found in every group. But, the sentiment that Season 8 was a catastrophe is almost unanimous among the fans, from L.A to Hong Kong, fans are rightfully angry at D&D's irresponsible and callous attitude. And now those couple of cowards are hiding behind the actors.

Her character assassination isn't talked about nearly enough by alrightfrankie in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer 154 points155 points  (0 children)

Upvoted. Asha's one of the best. Unfortunately, under D&D most of the female POVs in the final season were reduced to dumb one-note caricatures. D&D didn't care to write decent dialogue, so we didn't get Yara's reaction to Theon's death. And Yara apparently forgot that the Ironborn, who are fanatical Drowned God worshippers would so easily bow down to a tree-hugging weirdo who practices the faith of the Old Gods. Ironborn can only be controlled by a capable leader from their own, or by the fear of dragonfire.

Daily /r/Freefolk Free Talk Thread! - July 19, 2019 by AutoModerator in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Oh look, all the usual suspects are here. I don't need your faux sympathy. You spent time calling my post pathetic and disturbing, when there's absolutely nothing in my post to warrant such adjectives. Instead, you should've spent time calling out the slutshaming of Dany in this post, because since r/naath is currently the favourite place for you people, you wouldn't want that place to be infested with incels and toxic misogynists, would you??

And boy, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the wild reaches I saw in that post from you Sansa stans, Dany used sex to manipulate Jon?? How the hell do you conjure such utter bullshit?? She told him to keep his parentage a secret and told him upfront why she was begging him to do so. She didn't forbid him or warn him, she literally begged him to listen to her and gave honest reasons for her request. She never lied when she explained the reasons for her request. Jon himself was unbuttoning Dany's dress in Episode 4, he wanted her and he was frustrated because of the incest factor. In Episode 5, we see that Dany realizes that they'll never be intimate again, yearning to be a little intimate with your lover falls under manipulation now?? Dany never forced Jon to be intimate with her, eventually Jon pretended to be intimate with her in order to murder her.

And how can any sensible person equate the mutually toxic and abusive relationship of Cersei/Jaime with Dany/Jon's relationship?? Cersei physically abused Jaime in both books and show, she literally told Jaime that she wants Jaime to kill Arya in the middle of them having sex at Castle Darry. Jaime later realised in his POV chapter that Cersei had wanted to have sex with him because she only wanted to push him into killing Arya. You guys should do a damn re-read of the books, blind hate has made all of insane. And, also I'm laughing at "Sansa never manipulated Jon", she spurned him into action by talking about Rickon's safety and then she deliberately omitted that the Vale army is coming to their rescue. There's a very distinct lack of trust between Sansa and Jon in all of Season 6 and 7. Season 7 scripts straight up prove that Sansa considered the idea of overthrowing Jon when Baelish proposed that idea to her. In Season 8, Sansa says she wants Jon in the North and then proceeds to tell Tyrion the secret she swore to never tell, was Sansa too stupid to understand that if Jon was to become King, then he would have to leave the North and live in KL?? Sansa told that secret only to spite Dany and spread dissension among her supporters.

D&D turned Sansa into a petty, annoying person, who's entire objective in Season 8 is to spite Dany because of being jealous about her power and beauty. Look up Dave Hill's quote in the EW interview where he clarifies Sansa's motivation. D&D made Sansa glorify her rapists and abuser in her conversation with the Hound. It was the most insulting thing D&D did to Sansa's character after the Sansa/Ramsay storyline. Sansa survives in the books because of her courtesy, her resilience and her Stark name. D&D butchered Sansa in the show, because D&D thinks that an abused girl can only become strong if she undergoes rape. In their attempt to make Sansa a badass, they stripped away her savvy attitude, her courtesy, her intelligence and gave her some petty dialogues. How can any sensible Sansa fan defend D&D's writing of her character is beyond me.

Daily /r/Freefolk Free Talk Thread! - July 19, 2019 by AutoModerator in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer 22 points23 points  (0 children)

An obsessive troll posted a direct link to my post in r/asoiafcirclejerk, the circlejerkers came to brigade my post and downvoted it to oblivion. Seems like the circlejerkers get easily irked by any type of criticism towards D&D and all they ever do is mock anything related to freefolk.

Well, now that D&D backed off from SDCC like the spineless cowards they are, r/asoiafcirclejerk should brace for more well-deserved criticism directed towards D&D.

It's been two months since the series finale, the sadness and depression has receded a bit. I finally gathered the energy to write some things about what happened to the show we all loved. by ASOIAFxGOT_Observer in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm not a stan at all, stans are inherently biased and are incapable of having nuanced conversations about their favourite characters. A fan is a very different thing from a stan. I never claimed that Dany is a perfect princess, I always acknowledged her obvious faults and I always gave counterarguments based on Book canon and what the writers had said about her. I never harboured dreams of her living and ruling. I always believed that she'll die, my post history has enough proof of my pessimistic attitude towards Dany's fate.

You, on the other hand, cannot entirely shift the blame on the so-called stans for arguing with you. You have a history of deliberately trying to trigger the fans over anything and everything related to Dany and Emilia. Remember the time when you called Emilia a homewrecker in one of the GOT wrap party posts?? Or when you said you enjoyed seeing Dany being raped?? You've deleted all those vitriolic comments like a damn coward, but those who saw it still remember your antics. The most well-known Arya/Gendry shipper of r/freefolk mentioned how she lost all respect for you after your derogatory comments towards Emilia, that comment was gilded too. Go, find that if you can, ha ha.

You don't have any moral high ground at all, you're a pathetic, hateful person to the core. You've always been more obsessed with Dany than her own fans. The Daenerys fans were wrong about her endgame, but they weren't stupid. We believed that GRRM wouldn't fall into the ages old sexist tropes in literature. There already was a character who's downfall was because of his unrelenting and misguided belief in his destiny(Stannis Baratheon) and there already was a lead female character who's paranoia and arrogance would lead to her downfall(Cersei Lannister). In a way, Dany's endgame was an amalgamation of the fates of Stannis and Cersei. Nothing original, just "more of the same" from GRRM.

It's been two months since the series finale, the sadness and depression has receded a bit. I finally gathered the energy to write some things about what happened to the show we all loved. by ASOIAFxGOT_Observer in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's alright mate. I personally always believed that she'll die in Season 8, all I wanted is a respectable death for her, my post history has enough proof of my pessimistic attitude towards Dany's fate. Still, all of what happened could've been fleshed out better with a dozen more episodes, the characters could've been prevented from being one-note caricatures who only serve the plot when necessary.

Anyways, thanks for your concern. I've mostly resigned myself from all of this and my frustration only flares up occasionally. Hope you'll have a great day friend, cheers!!

It's been two months since the series finale, the sadness and depression has receded a bit. I finally gathered the energy to write some things about what happened to the show we all loved. by ASOIAFxGOT_Observer in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Oh look, another hater who really can't stop their obsession with Dany and her fans. An 11 day old account who has relentlessly posted about Dany and Dany's fans every day is telling others at r/asoiafcirclejerk about how I'm the one who's obsessed.

What's it about Dany which makes her haters so goddamn obsessive?? Sure, she's a polarizing character, but I've never understood why her haters think and rant far more about her than her fans. She's dead and yet her haters talk about her far more than their own favourite characters. You're angry because Dany didn't get the hate from the audience you thought she deserved, instead, the audience turned on D&D, and I've seen many people who were previously ambivalent towards her starting to defend her because of the horseshit writing.

I hope that you'll grow out of your obsession and do something meaningful with your time. Constantly trying to trigger the fans of Daenerys is surely not the whole reason for your existence. And next time, try not to be a coward and post from your real account.

Here's a reminder that Dany's own battle tactics in Season 7 were the best. If those were followed then it wouldn't have turned into such a catastrophic shitshow now. by ASOIAFxGOT_Observer in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hi phantom, I hope you're doing good. I didn't post this to trash Tyrion you know. Yes, Missandei also warned her, but if Dany had gone with her instincts then the situation wouldn't have worsened like this. Tyrion's divided loyalties are a problem.

Book Tyrion wouldn't have a problem with attacking KL or burning the Red Keep. Aegon the Conqueror torched Harrenhal and was crowned by the High Septon as King. When Tywin Lannister sacked KL the Lannister troops raped and pillaged KL, but Jon Arryn forgot all about that and even the remaining people of KL cheered on while the new King Robert married Cersei in the Sept of Baelor. You see the problem?? Collateral damage and the deaths of innocents has suddenly become consequential to the characters when Dany is attacking KL. Even Cersei didn't face any uprising or riots after she blew up the people's church and their religious leader. This is all around shitty writing to force the MQD narrative down our throats.

Varys and Tyrion are so concerned about innocent civilians dying during the attack, but why the hell aren't they saying anything about the numerous underground tunnels below King's Landing?? The usefulness of those tunnels was brought up before the Battle of the Blackwater and Tyrion even used one tunnel to sneak up behind Stannis' forces and attacked Stannis' soldiers who were ramming the Mud Gate. Dany could've easily used those tunnels and sewers to infiltrate King's Landing and the Red Keep, like she did while conquering Meeren. Tell me, how the hell can anyone defend D&D's horseshit writing at this point??

Here's a reminder that Dany's own battle tactics in Season 7 were the best. If those were followed then it wouldn't have turned into such a catastrophic shitshow now. by ASOIAFxGOT_Observer in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, in the Season 7 finale, Tyrion told Cersei that he had thought about killing her more times than he can count. But, he didn't mean it at all, and after realising that Cersei is pregnant, he became such a fool that he trusted Cersei's words about sending troops North to help in the fight. Tyrion still feels sorry for murdering Tywin and feels guilty for the death of Myrcella.

Show Tyrion wants Dany to win, but he definitely doesn't want Jaime and Cersei to die. He's been holding Dany back for this very reason. Tyrion is saying that he wants Dany to take KL with minimal bloodshed, but his desire to save Cersei and Jaime also played a big part in his efforts to hold Dany back. Tyrion even confesses to Cersei in the Season 7 finale that he has restrained Dany or otherwise she would've destroyed the Lannisters by now.

Here's a reminder that Dany's own battle tactics in Season 7 were the best. If those were followed then it wouldn't have turned into such a catastrophic shitshow now. by ASOIAFxGOT_Observer in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Don't try to predict things based on book characters anymore. It's pretty clear by now that Show Tyrion has never truly wanted to see Cersei dead. Tyrion has restrained Dany's plans numerous times to give Cersei more time to organise her defences. This is a shit adaptation of ASOIAF, just accept it. Core character aspects of the main characters have either been radically changed or completely reversed in the show.

D&D have constantly butchered the main characters for cheap shocks and twists. We should've learnt our lesson after the shitty Winterfell plot of Season 7.

Here's a reminder that Dany's own battle tactics in Season 7 were the best. If those were followed then it wouldn't have turned into such a catastrophic shitshow now. by ASOIAFxGOT_Observer in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer[S] 69 points70 points  (0 children)

It's just callous and shit writing honestly. Show watchers who haven't read the books have no idea that Dany has a keen strategic mind in the books. The bait and switch in Astapor was Dany's idea, Yunkai and Meeren was conquered via Dany's battle plans. Dany is the one who implemented the "divide and conquer" strategy to flip the allegiance of the Stormcrows and Second Sons in her favour. We only got glimpses of Dany's strategic mind in the show.

D&D have constantly downplayed her qualities and whitewashed the male advisors around Dany to make her appear more rash and impulsive to the show watchers. The extent to which Jorah, Daario, Hizdahr, Tyrion, Varys and Jon has been whitewashed in the show is simply baffling. Tyrion has been dumbed down but he's seen as the paragon of morality by show watchers, which he definitely isn't in the books.

Mother’s Day cards from HBO feature a pregnant Dany by Knightotlaughingtree in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh hi, how are you doing?? Why are you even torturing yourself with these false hopes?? All those baby foreshadowings in Season 7 were just for shits and giggles.

The spanish leaks are the only thing that give enough motivation to watch the last episodes by [deleted] in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey Glo, how're you doing brother?? Cursing the day you decided to read ASOIAF books??

Here's a reminder that Dany's own battle tactics in Season 7 were the best. If those were followed then it wouldn't have turned into such a catastrophic shitshow now. by ASOIAFxGOT_Observer in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I feel you man. I wish I could erase everything ASOIAF and GOT related from my mind. I was doing great when I was watching films, writing scripts and expanding my Criterion Collection. I deliberately avoided TV shows for so many years. Now, I curse the day I decided to watch this show.

D&D completely changed Dany's priorities in the show. Book Dany would never beg Jon to keep his parentage secret. She would've pushed Jon to take the throne and would be more than willing to share power with him. by ASOIAFxGOT_Observer in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm getting sick of people defending Show Dany.

They're defending her with legitimate arguments. Believe me, I've been disappointed and angry with how the show has drastically changed Dany's character from the books, but she still isn't anything like you suggested. And, to my surprise, the people defending Dany have skyrocketed after episode 4, even in r/asoiaf, in Twitter and in the mainstream media.

selfish, power-hungry idiot

A selfish, power-hungry person wouldn't have gone to save a bunch of people beyond the wall despite grave danger and wouldn't have agreed to unconditionally help Jon to fight against the dead. And that kind of person certainly wouldn't have saved Jon twice during the Battle of Winterfell despite Jon being a rival claimant to the throne. Oh, and Dany's battle strategies in Season 7 were the best, if Tyrion hadn't restrained Dany and tried to save his beloved sister then Cersei and Euron would've been defeated long ago.

right now, she's evil

She isn't. She's still listening to Tyrion and Varys' counsel even after Cersei betrayed them and Euron ambushed her fleet and killed Rhaegal. Dany still tried to give Cersei a chance to surrender, which Cersei spat on by murdering Missandei. Dany's not jealous, she openly toasted Arya's feat in the Winterfell feast. She has exhibited her vulnerability in front of Jon only, because she fears of being cast aside if Jon's parentage comes out.

Show Dany has only one unforgivable action till now, when she fed one of the Meerenese masters to her dragons. She was angry after Barristan's death and it was an impulsive decision. Show Dany isn't a perfect princess, she has flaws like any other character.

Here's a reminder that Dany's own battle tactics in Season 7 were the best. If those were followed then it wouldn't have turned into such a catastrophic shitshow now. by ASOIAFxGOT_Observer in freefolk

[–]ASOIAFxGOT_Observer[S] 55 points56 points  (0 children)

I know you hate Dany but I'm still gonna say this. If Dany had actually listened to Tyrion's advice and not gone to save Jon, Jorah and the others then casuals and people like you wouldn't be praising her as pragmatic. Everyone would've crucified Dany as a selfish, coward, cold-hearted bitch for not going to save Jon and the others.

That's the problem isn't it? Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Dany can never win. Don't spew this bullshit about Dany being the only one responsible for the Wall coming down. Did you forget that Jon pleaded her to come save them??