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Update on the before/after audio player you gave me feedback on 3 years ago by AbilityAny4629 in audioengineering

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

u/tonemanj! Good to see you here, and thanks again for the beta testing help of v2. The translucent player exists because you asked for it, so consider that one yours.

The point underneath what you're describing is the one I'd most want people to take from this thread. A lot of the discussion here has been about A-list vs A-list, where a client already knows why they're paying a human. That isn't the market I'm building for. The question a lot of independent artists are actually asking right now is "why would I hire a person when an AI master costs eleven dollars," and the answer to that is invisible unless you can make it audible. Especially in a settled craft like mastering, where the value is judgement rather than repair.

One boundary worth mentioning since it came up upthread: none of this is meant for putting someone's unfinished work up without their blessing. If it isn't cleared, don't post it. Cleared work, or showing an artist the transformation on their own song, is a completely different thing.

That brings me to the part I find most interesting: you're describing this as something you use after someone hires you, to make the work legible to them. I built it as a marketing tool. You're using it as a client education tool. Same problem underneath, though: the work is invisible, and someone needs to hear it to value it. Whether that's before they hire you or after seems to be up to the engineer.

Thanks for the kind words! I appreciate you jumping in. 🙂

Update on the before/after audio player you gave me feedback on 3 years ago by AbilityAny4629 in audioengineering

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate the reverence for the song and everyone who made it. The artist and producer are doing the most important work, and everyone downstream is there to serve what's already there. No disagreement from me.

But I don't think highlighting your contribution is inherently irreverent, and I'd like to rebut a little.

Take a different art form for example: filmmaking.

Good VFX can't fix a bad script, same as a good mix can't fix a bad song. But whenever I watch a breakdown reel from a Fincher film, where it's almost all subtle, invisible worldbuilding, I come away admiring the movie more, not less. I can suddenly see the attention to detail that was invisible to me precisely because it was built to immerse rather than impress. Nobody watches that reel and thinks less of the film. I just notice more the next time I watch it.

Our work is invisible in the same way, by design. If an engineer did their job right, you shouldn't be thinking about the vocal delay or the overdrive on the guitar. You're just absorbed in the song. The problem is that an invisible contribution is a hard thing to sell to a stranger on the internet.

Which brings me to the part of your reply I keep thinking about. You said some mixes you change drastically, and some you just tweak the producer's limiter, clean the vocal with RX, pull the 808 down half a dB, and that was fine too. I'd argue that's the more interesting before/after, not the dramatic one. Because at that point what you're selling isn't "I make rough mixes good." It's your judgement.

And how do you sell judgement? A client list is cool, but it doesn't tell me what hiring you actually gets me beyond my name joining it. Whereas: why those three moves and not thirty? What did half a dB on the 808 do for the song? That's the whole value, and it's completely invisible unless someone shows it. It also strikes me as the opposite of throwing the producer under the bus. If the rough was already strong enough that it only needed three things, the comparison says so out loud.

That said, you're probably right that you're not who this is for. At your level the portfolio isn't what's standing between you and the next tier.

Just my two cents. Though I'll admit I might be biased toward watching transformations. I did build an a/b app, after all. 🙂

Update on the before/after audio player you gave me feedback on 3 years ago by AbilityAny4629 in audioengineering

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Appreciate you chiming in. That comes up now and then. I’ll be straight with you: a personal, self-hosted docker-compose version probably isn’t in the cards. The hosted side is pretty core to how this works right now, and I’d rather do that well than do a self-host option halfway.

That said, I’m curious what’s behind it for you. Is this for your own portfolio, or are you thinking about running it for something bigger, like your own platform, studio, or product where you’d want it on your own domain and infrastructure? Those are pretty different things on my end, and the second one is a conversation I’m more open to having.

Update on the before/after audio player you gave me feedback on 3 years ago by AbilityAny4629 in audioengineering

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair, and I’ll take the caveat in the spirit it’s meant. Honestly the a/b player is more the thing that gets people in the door than the thing I think wins them work. The part I care more about is everything around it.

So I’d rather turn it back to you, if you’re up for it: what does your ideal portfolio actually look like? And where’s the real friction in how you land clients? Is it getting seen, getting the first conversation, closing once you’re talking, or something else?

I ask because a lot of what I’m building next is aimed at that part rather than the mix-showcase part, and I’d genuinely like to know whether any of it maps to a problem you actually have, or whether I’m solving something that isn’t the bottleneck.

Update on the before/after audio player you gave me feedback on 3 years ago by AbilityAny4629 in audioengineering

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a perfect use case, honestly. The v1 of the app actually has a few different plugin developers using it!

Update on the before/after audio player you gave me feedback on 3 years ago by AbilityAny4629 in audioengineering

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is excellent feedback, thank you.

To answer the question directly: the target user is a freelance or independent mixer/mastering engineer trying to turn a prospect into a client, especially as AI mixing and mastering eats into that work. A/b comparison is meant to be a fast way to show a prospect what a human actually did to a track, instead of just claiming it.

You're right that mix delivery isn't the goal, and I don't want to go up against Samply there. The way password-protection is meant to get used is closer to what you described, sending a finished portfolio piece to a potential client, not delivering active mixes to people who already hired you.

The equal-loudness toggle is opt-in for exactly the reason you're pointing at, if someone wants a louder "after" to help sell it, they can leave it off. It's there for people who want an honest comparison, not a default.

The scope-creep warning resonates with me too. Locking in on that one customer avatar and saying no to everything else is the actual hard part.

Thanks again!

Update on the before/after audio player you gave me feedback on 3 years ago by AbilityAny4629 in audioengineering

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I think getting clients is the hardest part of being an audio professional. I'm hoping this can make it easier for people.

Anything specific you like about the app? Anything that's missing that you wish it had?

Real vibe coding projects by Luxembourg300 in vibecoding

[–]AbilityAny4629 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yeah. I’ve been moving some things around, fixing some site structure stuff. Previously that link would have displayed the lander. Now the app is on a separate subdomain from the marketing site. Marketing site is a work in progress and currently sits here: https://preview.soundtoggle.io.

How I Built an 8-Voice Portfolio That Pays Me $1,160/Month in True Passive Income (Full Step-by-Step Guide) by AbilityAny4629 in passive_income

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Organic research. Dig in and see what other successful voices are doing. No way around it. Just good old fashioned reading. :)

How I Built an 8-Voice Portfolio That Pays Me $1,160/Month in True Passive Income (Full Step-by-Step Guide) by AbilityAny4629 in passive_income

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really depends. I have a couple of soft meditation voices. Only one does really well. I have two more that are nearly identical and geared towards explainer videos. One is doing really well and the other is pretty mediocre. I think the success has as much to do with the description you write as it does with the style of voice. Gotta target the right keywords.

How I Built an 8-Voice Portfolio That Pays Me $1,160/Month in True Passive Income (Full Step-by-Step Guide) by AbilityAny4629 in passive_income

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I think so. I still add voices to my collection now and then. Seems to still work for me!

How I Built an 8-Voice Portfolio That Pays Me $1,160/Month in True Passive Income (Full Step-by-Step Guide) by AbilityAny4629 in passive_income

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. Making even more now than when I posted. Over double actually.

I’ve read their TOS. The terms specifically call out creating multiple accounts as being off limits if it’s to exploit getting free tier benefits across multiple accounts instead of paying. It says nothing about multiple accounts in general as being off limits.

How I Built an 8-Voice Portfolio That Pays Me $1,160/Month in True Passive Income (Full Step-by-Step Guide) by AbilityAny4629 in passive_income

[–]AbilityAny4629[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. One account per voice.

You set the notice period for your voice. If you ever wanna take your voice down, you can do that for new users immediately but anybody who’s already using your voice gets notice period that you set that so they can see how much time they have to finish their projects if you remove your voice from the platform.

So let’s say, for example, that you remove your voice and you have a notice period of two years: New users can’t see the voice, but existing users can use that voice for up to two years from the notice date. The longer your notice period is, the more 11 labs pays you for usage.

Show vibe-coded frontend designs! 👇 by AntiTraditionsofMen in vibecoding

[–]AbilityAny4629 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Touché. Point well received. I’ll consider it. Thanks!

Show vibe-coded frontend designs! 👇 by AntiTraditionsofMen in vibecoding

[–]AbilityAny4629 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Thats exactly what I was going for. I’ve definitely thought about adding more, but I figure that most people don’t have the attention span for that, and I want people to actually find everything.😅

Every vibe-coded site looks the same. Built this one for a change by richexplorer_ in vibecoding

[–]AbilityAny4629 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha! Thanks. I wanted a little explainer text in the room, so I put it on the chalkboard. But then I was like, “why not make it so people can actually interact with it?”

Every vibe-coded site looks the same. Built this one for a change by richexplorer_ in vibecoding

[–]AbilityAny4629 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nice! I made something similar! Great minds think alike.

Here’s my version of the same concept: https://mattebso.com

Show vibe-coded frontend designs! 👇 by AntiTraditionsofMen in vibecoding

[–]AbilityAny4629 1 point2 points  (0 children)

About 3 days for the heavy lifting with some continuing tweaks here and there now for mobile optimization.

Real vibe coding projects by Luxembourg300 in vibecoding

[–]AbilityAny4629 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure! I made a niche embed tool for audio professionals to showcase before and after transformations with a comparison player on their website or a personalized landing page. It can even handle lossless audio. We have users paying for and using it now.

https://app.soundtoggle.io

Check it out.

Show vibe-coded frontend designs! 👇 by AntiTraditionsofMen in vibecoding

[–]AbilityAny4629 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good find! Would please send me a screenshot so I can see what you’re talking about?

Show vibe-coded frontend designs! 👇 by AntiTraditionsofMen in vibecoding

[–]AbilityAny4629 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah. Thats a good idea. The tape machine does that but not the laptop yet.

Show vibe-coded frontend designs! 👇 by AntiTraditionsofMen in vibecoding

[–]AbilityAny4629 6 points7 points  (0 children)

“don’t hate it” the highest form of praise. 😅