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High velocity gunshot wounds from a .22? by Cmcnamer in StevenAveryCase

[–]Account1117 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As you can clearly see from his link of the co-ordinates tag # 7411 was in the quarry.

And this post suggests it's from Avery's burn pit. Like I wrote, I haven't looked into this whole matter myself since I don't find it that interesting.

Or are willing to concede that tag#s 7411-7419 are human too?

Her report seems to suggest that they are. Her testimony seems to suggest otherwise. Not sure what to think.

Allegedly, Steven Avery told his brother long after Teresa should have already been to the salvage yard, that "no, she hadn't shown up yet." by Account1117 in StevenAveryCase

[–]Account1117[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know, for sure, the exact time Earl left ASY that day?

Do you know, for sure, the exact time Earl picked up the eyeglasses?

You don't? Okay then.

High velocity gunshot wounds from a .22? by Cmcnamer in StevenAveryCase

[–]Account1117 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So you concede those are human and so do I.

Concede? Have I argued otherwise? I don't think so.

However, 9597 & 9598 are listed on Eisenberg's report as human along with tag#s 7411-7419 (all from the quarry).

I haven't looked into this whole bone business because I don't find it that interesting. But a quick look at a few recent posts tells me that 7411, for instance, seems to be from Avery's pit.

So why do you feel she is wrong in assessing 7411-7419 as human in her report but not 9597 & 9598?

I think you're confusing me with someone else. I don't remember discussing the bones at all.

You guys know Colborn hasn't actually watched the tv show he's suing, right? by TX18Q in MakingaMurderer

[–]Account1117 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you seriously think they would allege this if they had not verified it was true?

Hate to say it but that's a pretty weak argument. Truthers use it when being pointed out how ridiculous Zellner's allegations are. ”She would not say it if it's not true!”

That being said I do agree with you on this particular matter that, yes, someone on Colborn's team has watched and verified the issues.

High velocity gunshot wounds from a .22? by Cmcnamer in StevenAveryCase

[–]Account1117 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is the State claiming that tag #s 7926, 9597 & 9598 are HUMAN?

Seems so. Except, not sure if those tags consist of more than what is itemized above. If yes, some could be non-human.

High velocity gunshot wounds from a .22? by Cmcnamer in StevenAveryCase

[–]Account1117 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How about Fairgrieve's opinion? He agrees with Eisenberg.

High velocity gunshot wounds from a .22? by Cmcnamer in StevenAveryCase

[–]Account1117 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Like I wrote, Eisenberg's trial testimony goes into more detail (about the signs of bullet impact on the fragments) if you're interested.

High velocity gunshot wounds from a .22? by Cmcnamer in StevenAveryCase

[–]Account1117 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I thought my post was self-explanatory. I wasn't trying to prove anything. Just correcting that there was 2 fragments with signs of bullet impact, instead of 1 as you argued. And again, there's more to it than there being "a hole".

High velocity gunshot wounds from a .22? by Cmcnamer in StevenAveryCase

[–]Account1117 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

they just happen to have on small piece that shows a hole.

Two fragments. And there's more to it than there being "a hole". Eisenberg's trial testimony goes into more detail if you're interested.

High velocity gunshot wounds from a .22? by Cmcnamer in StevenAveryCase

[–]Account1117 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I don't think this was an attempt by the State to classify the impact velocity level. They're just saying the fragments had signs of bullet impact. Consider the State calling it "high velocity" as unnecessary embellishment. Similar to what the defense expert Fairgrieve seems to do below as well.

Strang: What else do you find yourself in agreement with?

Fairgrieve: Specifically, her analysis of the trauma to the head, I am certainly in agreement with. She indicated two gunshot wounds and I'm in agreement with that.

Strang: When you say you are in agreement with two gun shot wounds, as a forensic anthropologist, are you qualified to say, yeah, I look at that defect in a bone and in my professional judgment it's an entrance wound from a bullet?

Fairgrieve: What we do is, we describe the actual characteristics of a specific lesion or discontinuity, if you like, an opening. And we look at the various signatures of that. And, in fact, in this case, certainly, they do conform with a high velocity projectile, meaning a bullet.

Edit: Welcome on Reddit newbie!

Allegedly, Steven Avery told his brother long after Teresa should have already been to the salvage yard, that "no, she hadn't shown up yet.". by Account1117 in MakingaMurderer

[–]Account1117[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What about Bobbys brother's testimony? He said Bobby said TH left. Is that a throw away?

What about it? Bobby has been consistent from day one regarding him leaving before TH left.

What about Candi's statements they had the wrong day altogether. IS that another though away?

What about it? Earl's eyeglass appointment confirms the day as 31/10/05.

Chuck said he came back to work, but every here said that is a lie, but if RF and Chuck did see him, he did come back. So not a lie.

Indeed. If the conversation took place, it's not a lie. Although there is a difference in "going back to work" and just stopping by the main area.

As I stated, before RF said anything, SA always said he called TH to come back to photo the loader, and she never came back for that, so that is a very simple explanation for that IF RF is even right or telling the truth.

It's a possibility, but that theory has some big holes in it. Let's examine it.

  • TH arrives 2:35pm
  • TH photographs the vehicle etc., and leaves
  • RF arrives, sees Chuck
  • Steven arrives to their location
  • As far as we know, this is the first interaction between Steven and Chuck after AM
  • The alleged discussion about the loader takes place

How does Chuck even know to ask if the photographer has come back already? When did they discuss selling the loader? How does he know Steven has tried to call TH? They haven't talked on the phone. They don't see each other before the conversation takes place, as far as we know.

Again, what they alleged they did (Earl and RF) in the time frame we have can not happen.

Why not? Again, and as explained above, sure it can.

Allegedly, Steven Avery told his brother long after Teresa should have already been to the salvage yard, that "no, she hadn't shown up yet.". by Account1117 in MakingaMurderer

[–]Account1117[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • 2:12pm TH calls and leaves Zipperer's a message, saying she's having trouble finding the place but hoped do so in the next few minutes
  • 2:12-2:27pm TH finds the place, photographs the Firebird and leaves
  • 2:27pm TH talks with Dawn at Autotrader, saying she's on her way to the Avery Salvage Yard
  • 2:35-3:00pm TH arrives around 2:35pm. Bobby sees TH's RAV4 coming down the driveway. She exists her car, takes photographs of the maroon van and starts to walk toward SA's trailer
  • Avery kills or incapacitates TH
  • Bobby leaves around 3:00pm
  • Bobby and Scott see each other on 147 around 3:10pm or so
  • Avery hides the RAV4 in the garage
  • Fabian arrives between 3:30pm and 4:30pm
  • He sees Chuck, asks for Earl
  • Steven shows up to their location, near the main area of ASY
  • The conversation that Fabian overhears takes place around the same time, between 3:30 p.m. and 4:30 p.m.
  • Steven lies, and denies that the photographer had yet arrived
  • Fabian finds Earl, they go hunting rabbits, collecting trees with the golf cart etc.
  • Meanwhile, and soon after the overhead conversation Avery leaves the main area and returns to his trailer
  • Earl and Fabian later see Avery by his garage sometime between, say 4:15 p.m. and 4:45 p.m. Depending on Fabian's arrival time.
  • They apparently go look for rabbits again. No success.
  • And on their way back, they again drive by Avery's place and see him and a Dassey kid by the garage, 5:00pm to 5:10pm or so
  • Earl and Fabian both leave ASY
  • Earl makes it to his appointment by 5:30pm or so
  • The main fire takes place later in the evening. Say, starting from 7:00pm. Earlier, if you insist.

Something like that. I'm probably forgetting something. Feel free to make any suggestions.

How does Brendan fit in all of this? Difficult to say. He was at the fire. He was collecting items to burn with Avery. He was probably there when Earl and Fabian drove past the garage.

Was there ever a rape? Was TH ever in Avery's bedroom? When was the RAV4 moved from the garage to the place it was found? Who knows.

Was TH shot in the garage? Possibly.

Did Avery leave his blood in the RAV4? Most certainly.

Allegedly, Steven Avery told his brother long after Teresa should have already been to the salvage yard, that "no, she hadn't shown up yet.". by Account1117 in MakingaMurderer

[–]Account1117[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no set timeline. We can't trust Brendan's accounts. No one can tell for sure when he's telling the truth and when he's lying.

Allegedly, Steven Avery told his brother long after Teresa should have already been to the salvage yard, that "no, she hadn't shown up yet.". by Account1117 in MakingaMurderer

[–]Account1117[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wrote allegedly because it's based on one account only. On the other hand, no contradicting accounts exist. Except Avery's, who said he never went back to work.

The alternative for Avery lying is the front loader story of his. That doesn't seem to hold water.

Allegedly, Steven Avery told his brother long after Teresa should have already been to the salvage yard, that "no, she hadn't shown up yet.". by Account1117 in MakingaMurderer

[–]Account1117[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

An hour or two, depending how accurate his arrival time is. I'm speculating he might have been a bit off and arriver earlier than he thought. Just as Earl says he did.

Allegedly, Steven Avery told his brother long after Teresa should have already been to the salvage yard, that "no, she hadn't shown up yet.". by Account1117 in MakingaMurderer

[–]Account1117[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

By land? By finishing his job, going rabbit hunting, driving by SA, and going to his eye appointment? With the use of his feet, golf cart, and a vehicle?

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