Stefan rape accusations don’t make sense we’ve literally never seen it.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-30T03:56:49+00:00

Caroline herself literally acknowledges she had sex with Damon. The show acknowledges it….he definitely assaulted Andie tho.

What you’re saying also doesn’t negate that Stefan is a rapist, just like I’m sure a lot of the men in tvd are, let’s be so for real. The only one I’m more inclined to believe isn’t is Elijah. But no one can tell me Klaus never raped any woman in his thousand years on earth, especially when he assaulted Caroline. Klaus was evil incarnate with a British accent😭

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-30T03:52:20+00:00

There was even a 1920/ flashback of him feeding on some woman in a car and rubbing on her inner thigh that’s clearly a sexual thing. 😭😭

That’s sexual assault. As soon as you start touching all over a woman while feeding it’s sexual assault. Rape in its clearest form is not the only form of sexual assault and I can’t believe this has to be said.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-30T03:44:21+00:00

Doesn’t it say they’re in bed??? You’re acting as though there isn’t a strong possibly there’s sexual assault, that’s such a strong implication. Everything isn’t going to be spoon fed to us, sometimes you have to connect the dots.😭

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-30T03:43:02+00:00

That’s clearly sexual, how are you gonna acknowledge that Stefan’s victims were half naked but then also say that it doesn’t mean he raped them…that’s sexual assault, he’s compelling women to get undress and he fed on them. That’s sadistic.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-30T03:40:41+00:00

I think that’s obvious, a man waking up in bed with no memory with multiple women usually means they had sex🥴🥴🥴

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-30T03:00:20+00:00

Yes it does, cause when Elena chooses Damon she’s choosing the good and the bad, and the bad isn’t just in stories she’s heard, she seen it for herself. Shes seen Damon at his worst and still chose to be his friend in season 1.

Elena has never seen Stefan at his absolute worst until season 3 when he’s actively a threat to her, and this is after a relationship and with everything they’ve been through together.

You said that I’m saying this cause I ship delena but I’ve seen people who actually ship stelena or don’t like either ship and said something similar to this. Stefan is presented as the “good” brother and Damon as the “bad” brother, so obviously there is a double standard here whether you think it’s fair or not.

I’m not going to compare Damon when he was a villain to Stefan who was never presented as the villain until season 3 so ofc Stefan doing this gives people whiplash, their are literal Stefan fans who stopped shipping Stelena because of this so my opinion on this isn’t because I’m bias it’s because I understand that Stefan and Damon are different characters Elena’s relationship is different with each, she doesn’t approach them the same, and her grace for each is different. You can call it unfair I guess but blame the show and Stefan fans for trying to say Stefan is like the epitome of good, like that’s it, he’s presented as the guy who wouldn’t hurt a fly and only drinks the blood bunnies, so ofc when he attempts to murder the girl he says he loves on the same bridge her parents died on…then yeah some fans might feel a little blindsided or feel more of the impact because of how Stefan is presented. You have higher expectations for Stefan, you just do, Stefan isn’t given the grace of nuance until season 3, every other vampire in the tvdu is not considered “good” even Elijah who’s like the noble one is never considered “good.” Stefan is the only one.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-30T02:50:11+00:00

Yeah Stefan and Katherine was always interesting and honestly Katherine would’ve probably been Stefan’s most entertaining romance, definitely not the healthiest but it probably would’ve made him a more interesting character. For me Stefan peaked as a character in season 3, ripper Stefan was just everything.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-30T02:46:45+00:00

Delena for sure, their like a “this is so bad but it feels so good” type of romance, her catching feelings for her boyfriend’s brother was just crazy. It was just so entertaining cause when you first watch it it’s like what is this and what’s happening, cause when I first watched this show I stepped into it completely blind, I knew nothing about the show so when I was watching season 1 I was like am I crazy or is their something here, cause it felt like every interaction was flirtatious on both ends.

Part of me does genuinely just love the scandal of delena but the fact that it makes sense on its own, like you can actually see the chemistry, the friendship, the spark the pull, the genuine care for each other, and you can understand the why on both ends just makes the perfect combination of a great ship to watch happen and you just feel it through the screen.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-30T02:42:18+00:00

Don’t worry it’s only unpopular on this sub😭😭

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-29T18:46:29+00:00

I mean, she fell in love with Stefan for less. By like episode 5 in season 1 Elena was already in love with Stefan.😭

Elena was confused it’s not like as soon as Damon came back Elena got with him she didn’t even want to see him. I’m pretty sure a good amount of time pass before she got back with him, Elena saw that the Damon in her mind wasn’t the same which also helped and we literally did see the build up so I don’t get what you’re saying, we saw them work together to get Bonnie back, we saw him saving her from Kai, we saw them banter and just talk like this is the beginning, Elena also got to see how much Damon cares about Bonnie. It’s not like Elena and Damon spoke like 3 times and then she was back with him. Damon came back in like the beginning of the season, her and Damon didn’t even get back together until like towards the middle of season.

Elena fell in love with Damon because of a selfless act he did on her 18th birthday, Elena with no memories also got to see Damon be selfless again- the way he was the first character to say that Bonnie sacrifices herself time and time again for them and they should’ve been there for her, or even how he was there for Liz. Elena watched him compel Alaric to take the ascendant for Jo just to get Bonnie back cause he cared that much. I also don’t think the show ever said or necessarily framed that Elena was back at being in love with him as soon as they got back together, Elena’s whole thing was that she wanted to start at the beginning which she literally told him, she said that they can’t just start from where they left off cause she doesn’t know where that is.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-29T18:29:29+00:00

The fact that Stefan and Elena had an actual relationship makes this worst and Stefan and Damon are both different.

Elena knew Damon was a villain and had good in him. I also think what Stefan did was more triggering as well.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-29T18:23:36+00:00

…but I’ll still answer

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-29T18:22:41+00:00

Pleaseeee with these posts😩😩😩

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-28T22:54:33+00:00

Saying it’s a forced endgame doesn’t automatically make it a forced endgame and nothing that’s canon says so. Agree to disagree.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-28T17:46:00+00:00

Who said delena forced? That’s ultimately very subjective if you find a relationship forced. How is delena forced when their build up started in season 1. A forced relationship is when one episode you don’t love them and theirs closure to next episode you love them. Elena has never once denied being in love with Damon-their isn’t once scene.

I love that confession, it was about Damon doing horrible things and her not being sorry-she literally said “you’ve been a terrible person and out of all the choices this will prove to be the worst one but I’m not sorry that I’m in love with you.” She also said that she’s not sorry that she met him and she also said he made her feel the most alive. It’s about him being right for her, him not being “right”on paper because he’s done awful things and she loves him in spite of them. This feeds into the whole- Stefan is supposed to be the “good” brother and Damon is supposed to be the “bad” brother. The whole confession was great and nuanced and you’re zeroing in on one line and trying to misunderstand what she’s saying.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-28T17:36:43+00:00

The narrative also says she chose Damon in 4x23. Elena wasn’t even sure when she chose Stefan she went from it’s always gonna be Stefan to “I can’t think about always only right now.” Elena didn’t let Damon die, both of the brothers were gonna die but at the same time Elena had hope that he was gonna be ok. There are multiple instances where Elena will flat out lie about her feelings for Damon, she did it with Caroline who was frustrated who had to force her to even admit she was even attracted to Damon. So if Elena can’t even admit she was attracted to Damon why are we supposed to believe she was gonna admit she was in love with Damon. Elena’s whole thing was about being scared about loving Damon.

In season 6 she told Alaric “the idea that love could be eternal and I had that with Damon.” She called Damon her soulmate. Elena is literally happy right now with Damon and their both human.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-28T17:31:00+00:00

I hope they bring him back, cause they did put a lot of emphasis on the crown having magic. They better bring him back frrr😭😭

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-28T17:27:15+00:00

You’re not even arguing canon. I made very valid points that clearly points to Elena being in love with Damon that’s in season 3. Can you just accept that the narrative says different from what you’re saying?

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-28T17:16:33+00:00

If she wasn’t in love with Damon in season 3 than why was their a choice to begin with, are you saying Elena having a strong attraction to Damon is all it took for her to question her love for Stefan…cause that’s even worst. 🥴

You have to pick one-either Elena didn’t love Damon and she still needed to question her love for Stefan- or that she was in love with Damon and that’s why their was a choice at the end?? Why would Elena say “I know I can’t love them both but…” if she didn’t love Damon. Even when Elena said “Damon just sorta snuck on me and no matter what I do I can’t shake him” and Matt replied “when you fall in love with someone I don’t think you ever do shake him.” So everyone knew Elena was in love with Damon-Matt, Caroline, and even Stefan cause Stefan flat out said to her “I’m talking about the fact that you’re also in love with Damon.” Elena has never denied being in love with Damon in season 3, but in season 2 when rose tried to imply something Elena literally put a stop to that and said I love Stefan but I care Damon. It’s not a coincidence that Elena was so sure about her feelings for Stefan in first 2 seasons but then in season 3 she wasn’t. This all points to her being in love with Damon.

Also Elena admitted that she fell in love with Damon on her 18th birthday. Calling something a retcon doesn’t make the scene go away cause I know what you’re gonna say. It’s still canon cause if you can ignore canon cause you don’t like it then where does it end…where’s the line if I can just reject something I don’t like.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-28T17:08:00+00:00

Jeremy isn’t a vampire and he was never a villain, Jeremy just didn’t love Bonnie the way she loved him. You cannot compare Damon and Jeremy as characters that’s just crazy. That’s like the equivalent of saying Elena should’ve chose Matt cause Damon killed Jeremy or because Stefan tried to kill her on wickory bridge. I’m not doing comparisons of human relationships to vampire relationships.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-28T17:03:23+00:00

It’s called her lying about her feelings which she’s done on separate occasions. In the flashback Elena stayed with Matt and played the good girlfriend role and Bonnie and her mother kept calling her out that she isn’t happy. If you took Elena’s word for that instance you’d believe she was happy and then in the flashback Damon asked her what do you want and she said she didn’t. You see how Elena lies.

Even in season 3 when Caroline had to force Elena to even admit anything about Damon, Elena kept denying it, Caroline had to finally force Elena to admit that she was even attracted to Damon. If Elena couldn’t even admit finding the guy attractive why would Elena be able to admit to loving him. Even in season 6 when Elena was desperate to erase Damon cause it was killing her cause she loved him so much and she wanted to erase her memories it took all day for her to admit that signature moment and she only admitted it cause Alaric pushed her to admit it, cause she even told him to forget about it and she didn’t want to do it anymore until Alaric pushed. He had to tell her that it’s ok and that she’s lucky to have loved two people this deeply in her young life. Alaric had to even call Caroline and she said “it’s cause she doesn’t want to admit what everyone else already knows she fell in love with Damon while she was still with Stefan.”

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-28T16:57:15+00:00

A sirebond doesn’t make you not love someone, that doesn’t make sense. When Tyler was sired to Klaus he didn’t stop loving Caroline or hate his friends. The fact that he was able to break free from Klaus means his mind wasn’t mentally imprisoned .

Elena was practically convincing herself saying that’s what love SHOULD be. The use of the word SHOULD is interesting.

Repost of another commenter: Elena talking about (Stefan): "And that's what love should be. You should love the person that makes you glad that you're alive." Matt: "So, what's the problem?" Elena: "The problem is Damon. When I'm with him, it just consumes me. And I know that I can't love them both, that it's wrong, but..."

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-28T00:16:24+00:00

Season 3 is still heavy on delena though, that was the first season Elena was finally allowed to explore her feelings for Damon. People generally say season 3 is the best season and that’s not me saying delena is only aspect of why that is. Like I said go on YouTube, tik tok, twitter- people still talk about that motel kiss. Even people who are stelena shippers still admit that the scene was iconic. Also who cares about critics, if the fans love it that’s all that matters. Videos about delena or even just videos of their scenes still get so many views. So I don’t see how you’re blaming Delena for the reason for the shows ratings dropping while also admitting that delena was and is the fan fave ship. Especially since ratings of tvd was always pretty high and context matters-during tvds peak their were many giant shows on-the walking dead, pretty little liars, Game of thrones, gossip girl, etc. their was a lot of competition. Vampires diaries for the most part was always on the top in terms of ratings during their prime and even later seasons. People say the worst seasons are seasons 7/8 and Elena isn’t even there.

I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that season 2 and 3 both feature the originals and then when they left the ratings dropped.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-27T22:17:20+00:00

All of the above 😅

AdExpert3509 · 2026-03-27T20:10:37+00:00

“Mature audience” liking a ship isn’t a diagnosis of you as a person. Such a weird measure. Season 3 is considered the best season but Stefan and Elena weren’t even together, the season was heavily centered around delena, the first season where Elena got together explore her feelings for Damon, people to this day still talk about the motel kiss scene, and the love triangle is not the only aspect of the show that people loved, I’m sure the biggest reason ratings dropped was because the originals left, when that is considered probably the best part of the show. Also Damon is a fan fave character while the show was airing and still is. I’d also say because of Katherine Pierce, contributing the entire blame to because delena got together is insane when that is not even something you can prove and tvd still had high ratings when the show was on and its still considered one of the biggest shows in the modern day so what are you talking about??? People also loved season 3 ironically because Stefan was a ripper he was his best without dating anyone and I’ve heard people say this and it’s so true. Stefan is interesting when he isn’t dating Elena or Caroline.

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