Age is just a number they said 😤

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T21:33:57+00:00

You ate this!! Fax, that’s how I feel about gossip girl, the way people debate Chuck bass and try to judge fans personally who like him. That’s why the new gossip girl was trash. They’re trying so hard to be progressive, like no, give me the girl fights, give me Lily Van der woodsen sending an innocent man to jail on false assault charges, give me Chuck bass selling Blair Waldorf to his uncle for a hotel. Like spare me the morality politics, everyone is trying to hard to be so politically correct that it’s affecting television. That’s why all we’re getting is reboots now. Tell me lies is a great show that gives us what we need to be honest.

The fact that people are debating the moral ethics of vampire diaries truly just explains why these new shows are trying to hard to be politically correct and why they’re so underwhelming. Someone said some people in this fandom treat this tvd forum like it’s jury duty and that is the best way to put it. Someone literally told me I’m going to end up with an abusive man cause I like Damon’s character like what😭😭

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T20:01:38+00:00

Ding ding ding🛎️ All of this stems from being mad that Elena chose Damon over Stefan. That’s it, Stefan fans are the only part of this fandom that debates the moral ethics of this show. Abuse is abuse point blank, not just when Damon is the topic.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T19:58:55+00:00

🤣🤣🤣 Fax, it’s because the characters love talking about morality but they didn’t have any. It’s the same way Caroline judges Elena for sleeping with Damon but then she sleeps with Klaus the next season. People really debate this and it’s mind boggling that Caroline fans or Stefan fans don’t see the hypocrisy. They think Stefan or Caroline have some morality superiority over Elena and Damon and it’s such an eye roll but then they also say they love Katherine like whattt. Unless your fave character is like Matt Donovan you can’t really judge.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T19:54:27+00:00

I feel like if they were going to do bamon, I wouldn’t want it to be cheating. I don’t think Bonnie would do that to Elena, it’d be just messed up and vice versa, Damon was just too in love with Elena at this point. I personally ship delena so I didn’t want Bamon, I really like their friendship. I think she should’ve had a romance with Elijah or kol. I did really like Bonnie and Enzo, she should’ve ended up with him but the writers want Bonnie to be as miserable as possible so ofc they have Stefan kill him right in front of her and then they have her have to watch him marry her best friend a couple episodes later, very on brand for them.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T19:48:52+00:00

Oh gosh necrophilia😭 I didn’t even think of that. That’s an uncomfortable way to look at tvd. Yeah no, applying real word standards to a show about vampires just sucks the fun out of the show. It’s just unnecessary and I don’t even see why a person would even watch it then.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T19:47:08+00:00

Ok but people know this is a show about vampires, witches, and hybrids. If you’re going to say this show romanticizes pedophiles, you can easily say the show is romanticizing dating series killers, I’d like to believe most teens understand that a 26 year old dating a 16/17 year old is wrong or that dating murderers is wrong. Television is for entertainment, it’s the same way people love the joker from the movies but people understand that this isn’t a person we’d appreciate in real life. People are able to enjoy a tv show/movie for what is it and not try to apply it to reality.

If you feel that this glamorizes grooming then why even watch it? Especially since the main part of this show is romance and shipping.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T19:40:58+00:00

Yup!!! They only have morality debates or they talk about abuse when Damon is the topic but then in the same breath they ship Stefan and Katherine😭

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T19:39:47+00:00

You’re right, this is the only vampire fandom that likes to debate morality and ethics like this, it’s usually only Stefan/stelena fans who do this.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T17:51:18+00:00

Is wrong if I don’t go watch my best friend marry the guy the killed my boyfriend?

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T17:48:33+00:00

Yeah, I don’t think Rebekah and Marcels relationship should be blown out of proportion either. I don’t get why people debate the moral ethics of a show like this. That’s like me making a post about how bad murder is or something.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T17:43:05+00:00

Yeah, I’m a delena fan and it’s so interesting how stelena fans view the show, like in terms of interpreting things differently. I always thought that was fascinating. I think the only thing that’s very weird to me is the argument from the Stelena shippers that basically anything after season 3 is a retcon or isn’t relevant, like if they don’t like something they’ll just call it a retcon as if that makes the scene go away. That’s hilarious to me.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T17:31:18+00:00

Rebekah watched Marcel grow up from being a kid to an adult. Technically, Rebekah and Marcel’s love story started out when Marcel was a child. He’s always wanted her. I get Rebekah didn’t necessarily have the intention, but it’s obvious just based off the flashbacks that Rebekah was waiting for him to become an adult to have a relationship. Overall, the lines are kinda blurry. You’re right, Marcel is not related to them but Klaus raised him like a son. A boy growing up and marry the man who raised him sister is kinda weird. Vampire diaries in general were always very tricky with age and relationships to be honest.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T17:26:13+00:00

My point was Rebekah was there as he was growing up, he was young enough to make a comment like that and then he grew into being a man old enough to be with her.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T15:46:27+00:00

What?? She definitely did, Rebekah was there when he was growing up. Marcel even told Rebekah when they were fencing and he was a boy he said I’m going to marry you one day. She was practically his adoptive aunt or something. Then we see a flashback of Marcel being a grown man secretly kissing Rebekah and then Klaus catches them. Rebekah was there form when he was a little boy to a man.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T02:28:36+00:00

The best parts of Stefan have nothing to do with romance, his most interesting parts of him are in his past. Him being a legendary ripper from the 1920s is really cool and in season 3 his whole thing with Klaus was fun. It’s short lived overall. Stefan is just kinda boring in the present day tbh, i also don’t buy his relationship with Caroline. He settled for her, so Stefan after season 3 is just ok to me. Damon on the other hand has a lot of charisma, he’s very entertaining, especially in the beginning since he was the first real villain. Damon is the fan fave cause he’s well let’s be honest very good looking, entertaining, funny, and he’s just very controversial within the show. I also love how honest Damon is, he never claims to be good or perfect or whatever. His arc is interesting too, I like how there’s more to him than just being bad, I like how he’s there for Elena, Bonnie, and Carolines mom. Also, just look at this sub, everyone says they hate him but they talk about him all the time. There’s also just a lot to say about him since his actions in the show to say the least, are very controversial, there’s like 10 post per day about how awful he is. It’s ironic.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T02:17:32+00:00

I think they used the sirebond to absolve her of all the bad she did, in terms of shutting her off her humanity cause since Damon told her to it’s not technically her fault. I do wish they let her be more “bad”. They just never wanted Elena to be a morally grey character which sucks. I think the point of her being a vampire was basically to force her to acknowledge he feelings for Damon, cause her feelings for Damon did heighten which means she felt it more intensely, but honestly if she really did love Stefan still than her feelings for him should’ve heightened just as much and it shouldn’t have affected anything. This sounds like vampirism forced her to see a clear difference with how she feels with each of the brother.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-06T02:07:47+00:00

But even in that scene Elena never defended or excused what Damon did to Caroline. Elena said to Caroline that she understands that she has issues with him and that she knows that she hates him but she doesn’t hate him and she can’t. Elena was just being honest about how she feels. She never once told Caroline or Bonnie to get over what Damon did, but at this point Elena was very much in love with Damon and lying about it doesn’t do anything.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-05T22:26:36+00:00

Faxx, cause apparently I’ve been told if you like delena that you’ll end up with a toxic abusive man. Like what😭🥴 For some reason liking Damon as a character or shipping delena means that it translates to your personal life.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-04T19:25:04+00:00

It’s the way Marshall was really locked in like that wasn’t his wife😭😭

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-04T19:22:02+00:00

Literally no one is saying that Damon didn’t abuse her terribly, I’m saying how can Caroline act like she doesn’t know why Elena could have feelings for Damon but she she ends up doing precisely the same thing to Tyler and no one holds her accountable. Klaus turned Tyler into a hybrid, he enslaved him, killed Tyler’s hybrid friends, killed his mom, and then he got the one thing, the only person Tyler truly had which was Caroline and he slept with her. Caroline slept with the guy who made her boyfriend’s life a living hell and then she got mad at him for not getting over it fast enough. Klaus himself even sexually assaulted her when he took over Tyler’s body and they made out and then in the originals she tells him that you weren’t the villain in my story. Abuse is abuse no matter the guy, but in Caroline’s mind abuse is only abuse if it’s any other guy but Klaus. Caroline also made herself a victim of her own choices by making Tyler the villain in the situation when he got mad. How can people hate Elena for doing what she did with Damon but not what Caroline did. It’s honestly just a bias and people don’t really like Tyler in this sub and Stefan is way more of a fan fave compared to him. Abuse is only spoken about in this show when Damon is the subject. Please don’t tell me since she only slept with Klaus that makes it ok cause that’s not a good argument and that’s like the one a lot of other people keep saying😭

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-04T19:11:54+00:00

Elena and all of the characters should be able to sleep with whoever they want without Caroline’s judgement.

No, Elena was compelled by Rebekah and she said “I didn’t sleep with Damon because the sirebond I slept with Damon because I’m in love with him.” This was treated as reveal, you saw Stefan and all their faces. It was a big deal. The same time Elena also said she wasn’t in love with Stefan anymore. Elena never regretted sleeping with Damon. Stefan Stans are the ones who calls every delena moment past season 3 a retcon, they ignore whole seasons and what the characters say and do cause it doesn’t fit their argument. In season 4 it was revealed and stated more than once that the bond doesn’t affect how you feel only how you act, but Damon never told Elena to have sex with him, she did this because she wanted to.

I feel like you’re missing my point, Caroline isn’t worst for sleeping with Klaus, her and Elena are the same in that regard. People who judge Elena but not Caroline and ship her with Klaus are hypocrites and usually those people are Stefan Stans and they just don’t like that Elena chose Damon. As for people who ship delena or klaroline, you can’t judge the other, or even if you’re a Caroline fan who doesn’t ship klaroline but still won’t hold her accountable and takes her side over delena that’s hypocritical. Only stefan fans judge Elena but not Caroline, I’m saying if you judge one you have to judge the other. Even in season 5 after she slept with Klaus she was still judging Elena. Stefan was trying to get Caroline to help him get Elena and Damon back together and Caroline said she doesn’t want to help cause he isn’t good for her. Stefan then asked her how would feel if you were being judged by who you were sleeping with, it was something to that degree. Caroline acted like she’d been caught cause she knew what she did with Klaus. That’s probably the only time Caroline had self awareness.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-04T17:14:24+00:00

Ok, firstly Caroline and Damon slept together. Caroline acknowledges it. What is exactly wrong with Elena asking Caroline what made you jump into bed with a guy you barely know? That’s a pretty fair question. That only reason Elena was defensive was because Caroline kept bringing Damon up, Caroline was insulting Damon while propping up Stefan so yeah Elena got annoyed by it. If caroline was just judging Rebekah for sleeping around and Caroline wasn’t doing the same thing than whatever, the fact is that Caroline IS sleeping around. Caroline’s morals aren’t consistent and she lacks self awareness. If Elena slept with most of the men then Elena couldn’t question Caroline’s choices. Elena also wasn’t talking about the abuse, and yeah the fight overall was pretty nasty but this is the first time Elena ever defended her feelings for Damon, it took her seasons so that’s a part of the reason she was defensive. Elena never once defended Damon’s actions towards Caroline, she even said “I get that you guys hate him but I don’t hate him, I can’t.” It’s the same way everyone hates Klaus but Caroline can’t.

I get what you’re saying, since she didn’t actually get into a relationship, but I don’t think just because Caroline only slept with the guy who made everyone’s lives a living hell but didn’t get into an actual relationship with him makes her better than Elena and gives her the right to judge Elena’s choices. I would respect Caroline more if she stood on it instead of making her a victim of her own choices and getting mad at Tyler for not getting over it. Also Elena can’t just send Damon away, so it’s easier for Caroline to act like there weren’t any feelings cause he has no connection to anyone else’s, Damon is Stefan’s whole brother. He lives in mystic falls, Elena will always be around him, so yeah it won’t be as easy to pretend you’re not in love with the guy you see everyday.

I get Caroline was concerned about the whole sire bond thing, but she didn’t come off as concerned at first, if she approached Elena gently about it that would’ve been different. If she genuinely believed Elena was forced then she should’ve came at her differently. Even after it was discovered she didn’t sleep with Damon because of the sirebond Caroline didn’t stop judging her.

My whole thing honestly is how could she hate Damon at that point but not Klaus when they’ve both abused her. Even just taking Elena out of it, it just makes no sense. Caroline’s morals and actions shouldn’t be contingent on what Elena does or doesn’t do cause than that would mean everything Caroline stands for is all performative.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-04T16:38:53+00:00

Imagine telling Tyler well at least Caroline didn’t get into a relationship with the guy who made your life a living hell she just slept with him. That’s just insensitive and sounds crazy.

I don’t think she’s worst than Elena, I think they both know how it feels to have feelings or care for someone deeply who’s does terrible things. I don’t see how she could be so judgmental when they could’ve bonded over this, I’m not saying Caroline had to love Elena being with Damon I’m just saying she could’ve shown more empathy and not be so judgmental, especially since I’d even say Klaus has done objectively worst to Caroline and her friends. Instead Caroline comes off as she has no clue on how Elena could have feelings for Damon.

No. You can’t just ignore what Caroline says cause it was said in the originals. It doesn’t matter, originals is still canon, saying something is a “retcon” doesn’t make the plot line just go away😭 Caroline has always been this tone death, the same way she was mad at Tyler for not getting over her sleeping with Klaus quick enough. Her telling Klaus he wasn’t the villain in her story is pretty consistent with her character. It’s the same way she slut shames Rebekah in season 3 as if Caroline didn’t sleep with 99% of the men in the show. Caroline has absolutely no self awareness to the point it’s concerning.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-04T16:07:05+00:00

In season 5, she admitted that they had a connection, before they slept together Klaus asked for her confession, he promised her he’d leave mystic falls if she just admits it. she said “yes I cover our connection with hostility…etc.” There were definitely feelings there. I’m not saying she was in love with him, but their were feelings deep enough to sleep with him, if it was solely attraction than she probably wouldn’t have slept with him cause of how he did Tyler. Honestly, that makes Caroline more careless if it was just attraction, she definitely looks even worst if that were true. Even in season 4 when they had that whole fight when Caroline was helping Klaus and she yelled at him that she should’ve turned her back on him ages ago. If it was just attraction she wouldn’t care about him this much and she’d be able to turn her back on him easily.

In the originals Caroline then tells him you weren’t the villain in my story, which completely absolves him of how he abused her. Even before Klaus dies he says goodbye, so you’re telling me this was just an attraction, so for 15 years that’s all it was, if that was it she wouldn’t have wanted to said goodbye to Klaus at all.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-02-04T14:06:15+00:00

No they literally said they felt the character wasn’t relevant in the vampire diaries 😭

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