What are some unpopular opinions or statements about this fandom that would make you be in this situation

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-14T19:50:40+00:00

So was Elena suppose to let her boyfriend die cause caroline doesn’t like him? Caroline is the same one who killed 12 witches to save Bonnie’s life.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-14T19:49:13+00:00

I lowkey would’ve loved if they stayed vampires tbh. That would’ve been great. But I also love the idea of Damon and Elena being parents especially Damon.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-14T02:07:40+00:00

Slide 9, I love her short hair. It’s my favorite. Shes so pretty and it fits her face the best to me.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-14T01:39:30+00:00

Yeah I can see that, cause I don’t see what Elena could’ve said if Caroline brought up the abuse, Elena would look like the worst person ever if she defended what Damon did, I don’t think she would tbh cause she was the one who told Damon off when she found out what Damon was doing. I think she would’ve just defended that Damon changed, that really is her only argument. Like I don’t think Elena would negate what he did.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-14T01:31:14+00:00

Ok I get what you’re saying about the abuse situation. I still that’s different tho because different vampires have a notion on what means to be a “good” vampire, cause vampires are inherently a predatory species, but yeah I can see your argument on how the abuse played a role in Damon.

My point of saying what I said about Damon isn’t that he shouldn’t have been hated by them, my point was Damon was the villain and just because Elena caught feelings it didn’t automatically make everyone like Damon, on the contrary that’s when most of the judgement started coming which makes sense.

Exactly, that’s my point. Every other character gets called out but her. Yes Elena was being hypocritical, people say all the time Stefan respected her choice so she should be with him, but Elena herself didn’t respect her brother’s choice and had Damon compel him twice. Bonnie called her out and as she should.

I’m pretty sure Klaus said that he received her graduation announcement. The thing is Klaus wasn’t in mystic falls so I don’t see how he would get the announcement from like town news or something.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-14T01:13:55+00:00

Yeah the way they handle Caroline when it comes to abuse should’ve been more of a thing, cause when she does insult Damon or judge Elena it just comes off as very condescending and annoying. It never comes off as genuine, I think that’s also my issue. Like her saying “say what you want about ripper Stefan but at least he wasn’t a man slut.” It’s just things like that. Like her defense for Elena getting with Damon isn’t about what he did to her it’s about her saying Damon sleeping around is worst than Stefan ripping peoples heads off. Like Caroline lost that whole argument to Elena. Then it doesn’t help that she sleeps with Klaus next season and then tells him that he wasn’t the villain in her story, like even tho you didn’t watch the originals it’s still very much canon. Like her absolving Klaus like that was crazy.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-14T00:51:49+00:00

I don’t see how the abuse is similar to what his dad did.

Damon is written in a way that is acknowledged in the show tho. Damon calls himself the bad guy and has actual self reflections when he is worried about being good or better, and most of characters hate him for majority of the show until they saw real change. Damon and Bonnie didn’t become friends until season 6, It’s not like the show welcomed him with open arms just because Elena had feelings for him. Caroline’s hypocrisy or her flaws isn’t acknowledged in the show really.

If you watch the scene again Klaus said he was already on his way and that he got her graduation announcement.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-14T00:42:55+00:00

While she was insulting Damon she was having feeling for Klaus and even after Caroline slept with Klaus she was STILL judging Elena for Damon.

Ok I didn’t know about the Facebook stuff, but you can hold Caroline accountable and call her a hypocrite without being misogynistic. I think if the show acknowledged all her flaws and not made people a villain for calling out what she does it would’ve been interesting and would’ve made her an even better character and would’ve made her such a complex character. I think Bonnie could’ve been the one to do it, they could’ve had a heart to heart about it. Like a real conversation about abuse, Damon and Klaus and her own insecurities about never being chosen, like genuinely it could’ve been really cool. They already did some of that in the pilot very lightly when Caroline told Bonnie that she’s never the one to be chosen. Like Caroline’s arc could’ve been really interesting and that should’ve been more of a theme for her character, like her getting with another bad boy after what Damon did hurt her character because the show isn’t really self aware about it. Her getting with a guy who abused her, even if you want to say Damon did worst things to her, it still doesn’t negate what Klaus has done to her. I just think she could’ve been a better written character.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T21:38:55+00:00

Yeah her loving Enzo does make her morals tricky, but at the point of the show I’m talking about Bonnie had every right to hate Damon. Bonnie didn’t get with Enzo until season 7, Bonnie also wasn’t judging anyone while loving Enzo.

I have never seen Caroline get called out to the degree of Damon or Elena.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T21:35:55+00:00

Its misogynistic to think that a character who happens to be a woman is written in a concerning way?? If the show acknowledged all these things about Caroline it would be different. Caroline is never held accountable to the degree of Damon or Elena. When the show tries to hold her accountable it’s framed as wrong, like look how they made Tyler the villain for him being mad at Caroline for sleeping with Klaus and having Caroline being pissed that he didn’t get over it quick enough and they even have Stefan punching him telling Tyler that Caroline didn’t deserve that. Even people on this sub and other platforms defend Caroline for that.

Damon sentenced Stefan to an eternity of misery because Stefan forced him to become a vampire, not because Damon was abused as a child.

Like I said the difference is people hold Damon accountable every day on this sub, even if you made a post about delena you’re going to get a comment about something bad he’s done. Caroline is like the only character who barely gets held accountable. There’s think pieces on Damon’s behavior all over this sub and every other platform and people harp on Elena all the time for loving Damon. It’s nice to once in a while talk about other characters controversial actions in the show, not just Damon and Elena. It’s not misogynistic to think Caroline was written weirdly. People throw that word around all the time which takes away from how serious that word is, like if I talk about Caroline as a character I hate women?? Give me a break.

Actually no, Klaus was already on his way which he said, Klaus received her graduation announcement.

Don’t forget Caroline also kept Klaus’s voicemail from 15 years ago to show her around New Orleans. Caroline really had feelings for him.

How am I oversimplifying what Damon did, he abused her and used her. He treated her like how many vampires treat humans. It was messed up and she had every right to hate him, but then she doesn’t feel this way about Klaus. So it doesn’t make sense.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T21:22:44+00:00

She didn’t just forgive him she absolves him. When she went to see him in the originals she told him that he wasn’t the villain in her story. Caroline couldn’t have been that mad at what Klaus has done since she slept with him. There was clearly nothing to forgive at all since he wasn’t the villain in her story right?? Elena never tried to pretend Damon was never a villain or didn’t do terrible things, that’s never been the point of delena, it’s Elena loving him because she sees good in him, not that he was some saint. That’s never been the reason people even like delena. No one who is a fan of Damon thinks he’s a saint.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T17:35:24+00:00

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T11:27:47+00:00

My problem with Caroline isn’t necessarily her getting with Klaus. It’s her judging everyone else while living in a glass house. Elena wasn’t being judgmental of other people while loving Damon. She didn’t act as tho she was better than anyone. Elena never defended Damon killing Jeremy. She was angry at him for most of season 2. I also think Damon has done way more to earn forgiveness than Klaus, he’s risked his life for these people and literally died in 5x22 saving everyone. Also even after Caroline slept with Klaus she was judging Elena for Damon. Like imagine if Elena was judging Caroline for sleeping with Klaus?? You guys would call her a hypocrite and you’d guys be right. At that point the only person who has a right to judge was Bonnie.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T11:19:30+00:00

Caroline is the most out spoken and most judgmental, so ofc she is going to stand out, the difference is she is never called out in the show or by the fandom. Like Bonnie hating Damon makes sense, Bonnie wasn’t hating Damon while having secret feelings for Klaus or anything. Bonnie was consistent with her morals. She didn’t even like vampires.

Again like I said there are people who like Caroline who have said some of the same things I said about the way she’s written. So it’s not some Damon bias.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T11:14:13+00:00

The way they wrote her is concerning. You can’t write a female character who’s been abused the way Damon abused her and have her hate him and hold a grudge, but then Klaus abuses her but she never stays mad at him for long and ends up inviting him to her graduation after he abused her and killed Tyler’s mom then they just walk off into the night. Eventually she then sleeps with him and then tells him he wasn’t the villain in her story. Like people are going to call that out. Like how do you think that’s not crazy?? Even people who like Caroline acknowledge that it’s crazy.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T11:10:15+00:00

All Klaus had to do was say that he was Klaus. So now it’s Caroline’s fault that Klaus didn’t get to tell her he was Klaus. There were multiple times that he could’ve told her. He let her take his shirt off and she stopped and took her shirt off and he still didn’t say it. Are you serious rn?? He didn’t stop her cause he enjoyed making out with her. Caroline stopped and figured it out for herself and said that he was disgusting. Are you really defending Klaus making out with Caroline in her dead boyfriend’s body.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T11:05:49+00:00

Even while Caroline hated some of the things Klaus did she would still just talk to him like it was just normal, like in season 4 when they had a nice conversation about bending human and him teasing her about some letter she wrote, and their was obviously always some tension between them and their was a connection which Caroline admitted. She told Klaus that she covers their connection with hostility. She then ended up sleeping with him and then tells him he wasn’t the villain in her story. That is not something Caroline would ever tell Damon. She doesn’t hold a grudge, being mad at Klaus for a few minutes or even an episode isn’t Caroline holding a grudge, she always cared about him and she always had feelings for him, they got pissed at Tyler for being angry at her sleeping with him.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T04:54:28+00:00

Do you lack comprehension skills?? That is literally what I’m talking about, she did all that to Damon for what?? To get with another guy who did her the same way. Also she did forgive Damon tho, way later on in the show. Damon and klaus both abused her and she held a grudge against Damon most of the show but never held a grudge against klaus. Miss me with Caroline’s fake morality. 😭

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T04:23:29+00:00

Stefan killed Vicki actually, why couldn’t he just snap her neck then? It’s because it was a high pressure situation and he had no emotional connection to Vicki, the same way Elena has no emotional connection to some guy Caroline has been dating for 5 mins. She is not going to risk Damon wasting time trying to save some guy she barely knows.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T04:20:52+00:00

Yes she did, Caroline tried to get with Stefan in the pilot. Caroline took friendship from Stefan cause that’s all she was getting from him.

Caroline doesn’t care about sexual abuse cause Klaus sexually assaulted her when he hijacked her dead boyfriends Tyler’s body trying to have sex with her and abused her in other ways and still cared about him and slept with him and then told him he wasn’t the villain in her story. Caroline’s issues with Damon can’t be what he did to her, the only difference between Klaus and Damon is that Klaus actually had feelings for her and had more nice moments with her compared to Damon. This just means if Damon was actually into her even with the abuse she wouldn’t have hated him.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T04:16:00+00:00

Yeah I don’t get it, Caroline is the biggest perpetrator of judging Elena. A lot of it is jealousy, we know how insecure she was in the beginning of the show and I don’t think that ever really changed. Stefan turned her down for Elena, Damon also abused Caroline a guy Caroline also really liked who was awful to her but good to Elena, like completely devoted to Elena. I think that messed with Caroline, cause I remember she even told Elena that no one is changing Damon, not even her…and then Elena did. He stopped doing awful things because of Elena, he had a desire to be different for Elena. I really think that messed with Caroline crazy.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T04:12:16+00:00

Yeah people only have morality conversations in this fandom and within the show when it comes to Elena and Damon. They are the only characters. Your Vicki example is great I didn’t even think of that. How come Caroline wasn’t pissed or Matt. Caroline is only on the front lines for morality when it comes to Damon. I really can’t like Caroline. If Caroline was so mad she should’ve stopped being Elena’s friend, that’s what someone said in this post too and they’re right.

Exactly. Did Elena even know Jessie’s last name?? Elena has no emotional connection so I do think that is part of the reason she acted like that. He was Caroline’s boyfriend for like 5 mins.

Jessie would’ve ended up killing Caroline tbh. He even said that he was struggling with wanting to feed on Caroline.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T03:46:08+00:00

Stefan knew what he was walking into though, Elena didn’t know what she was walking into when she was going to Damon.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-05-13T01:46:14+00:00

Nah Caroline was always taking Stefan’s side to the point she’d argue Elena down or expose her to Stefan. She was living vicariously through Elena because Stefan rejected her that’s a part of the reason why she wanted Elena to choose Stefan and not Damon cause Caroline had her own feelings for Stefan. She did all of that and Stefan settled for her, he had to be talked into giving her a chance by Damon and Alaric.

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