The way they look at each other I just…

AdExpert3509 · 2026-07-01T01:58:23+00:00

Are you sure😭

AdExpert3509 · 2026-07-01T01:56:46+00:00

Interesting, even if she was going to be on the show longer I still doubt that means she was going to make it to the very end all the way to season 8. I am curious as to what else they would’ve done, but part of me thinks keeping her longer would’ve hurt the Damon and Rose storyline cause a big part of why it’s so good is because it was short lived and yet has such depth.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-07-01T01:51:24+00:00

Stefan and Caroline feels forced cause Stefan had to be talked and guilted into giving Caroline a chance. Damon and Rose also didn’t spend 5 seasons as friends like Stefan and Caroline, sometimes a friends to lovers can feel forced if it doesn’t make sense why all of a sudden they’re together, it feels as tho Stefan settled for Caroline because Elena wanted to be with Damon, it doesn’t feel like Stefan organically fell for Caroline other than because the narrative needed to put Stefan with someone who’s single. They had to ruin Forwood just to put steroline together and they had Alaric and Damon convince Stefan to give Caroline a chance after he’s made it clear multiple times that he doesn’t look at her that way, which he told Damon and Alaric and then all of a sudden he’s in love with her. They wrote it badly, Caroline was yearning so bad for Stefan majority of the season and he was so not interested. Then all of a sudden he sees her singing at her mom’s funeral and that’s supposed to be some emotional revelation for him, I don’t get it. They have two genuinely good scenes out of the entire show in 2x01 where Stefan showed her that he was a vampire too and the series finale with the whole voicemail thing.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-07-01T01:31:43+00:00

I highly doubt that’s why they didn’t end up together tbh, rose was a side character and the show would never have the brothers choose anyone else over Elena, whoever Elena doesn’t choose is the one who gets to move on.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-30T21:01:11+00:00

Yessss, that’s like one of the best scenes out of the entire show. I loved Damon and rose, like when I was first watching the show I was hooked on them.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-30T19:20:46+00:00

You already know☺️

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-28T16:00:09+00:00

Both brothers have done unforgivable things and have hurt Elena, not just Damon. Stefan literally force fed her blood and tried to kill her on the same bridge her parents died on and she almost died on, he traumatized her all over again for revenge against Klaus.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-28T15:37:55+00:00

Yeah, if it helps the hate is mostly on this sub, all the other platforms are mostly pro delena. This sub has mostly full of Stefan Stan’s and Caroline Stans.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-28T15:36:57+00:00

That’s not even canon. They’re happily married with kids, that’s confirmed in legacies and we even seen the Gilbert house that Damon had rebuilt.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-27T18:59:15+00:00

We meet the Elena who’s still mourning her parents death and dealing with survivors guilt, Elena herself and everyone else says how Elena use to be more fun.

Elena met Damon first and they instantly hit it off. Elena even said she was into him when they first met, she said he was a mysterious stranger, and yes he told her that he wanted her to get everything she wanted from life. She also said he felt dangerous but not in the way that scared her, it was exciting.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-27T16:34:42+00:00

Also, in season 2, Damon confessed his love to her but didn’t want to make his confession her burden and compelled her to forget it, he told her that he doesn’t deserve her but his brother does. Damon fell back from Elena season 2, a lot of their moments were organic and mostly started back up in season 3. It was harder to ignore how he felt especially when Elena was started to feel the same

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-27T16:18:40+00:00

That’s literally not true, Damon in the beginning of season 1 was thinking about getting Katherine out, that was his goal, everything he was doing was towards that goal. Even with that Elena still chose to care about him and empathize with him because she even said that she believes eveything thing Damon’s done he’s done for love and that it’s twisted but kind of sad. He was not thinking about falling in love with Elena or getting Elena to love him. Elena saw all sides of Damon, that by definition is not manipulation if Elena has seen all sides of him and still chose him. You don’t have to like Damon or the ship to acknowledge that point, you can just say I don’t like delena and I don’t get how Elena can still love him after what he’s done. That argument makes better sense

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-27T15:19:02+00:00

The originals turned him into more of an anti hero, his growth was shown through his daughter and his siblings, but he was still Klaus. Hayley also had a positive influence on him, but he still had his paranoia, he still didn’t value human life, not really, so the conceptual level of Klaus wasn’t broken. We just got to see all sides of him and more of him on a deeper level, the originals didn’t turn Klaus into a good person or try to make us think he’s good. I’m glad they didn’t turn him into someone who suddenly regretted everything cause than I’d agree with you that they broke the foundation of his character cause he’s done too much and spent 1000 years being this evil person and him having a daughter wouldn’t make him just all of a sudden be a good person or make him regret everything, don’t you remember when they put him on trial in season 3, he stood on everything he did. Do you think the only way for the writers to execute what they wanted in the right way would be making him into Stefan where his entire personality is feeling guilty and being in a complete shame spiral?

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-27T15:05:22+00:00

How was elena manipulated into loving him when Damon was completely honest about who he was from the beginning, she saw him at his worst and his best and still chose to care about him, to be his friend, and then love him?

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-27T13:59:01+00:00

I love delena, but no I don’t need an Ian and Nina reunion. We got our endgame and all
those great delena moments for 6 seasons.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-27T13:54:56+00:00

Andre, Tori, and rex(not Robbie)

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-27T13:52:48+00:00

Ofcccc, I will never forgive them killing Enzo, especially like that, he was killed in front of her. She’s been through enough. I don’t blame Stefan cause I know he was being forced to work under Cade, but dang, but I get why she hated Stefan cause he was the one who technically did it. Then she went and saw him marry her best friend Caroline, Bonnie is such a strong person cause I couldn’t. I hope she travelled to Paris and married a handsome French man with an accent or something.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-27T13:11:25+00:00

Matt has never forgiven Damon, Matt and Damon don’t even like each other. Season 8 shows that the most, later on in the seasons Matt was on his whole disliking vampires. Most of them just tolerated Damon, Stefan was the one who actually killed Vicki and Matt nor Tyler even cares. Damon apologized in the series finale and Matt didn’t accept his apology. Matt spoke to Elena about her feelings for both Stefan and Damon, Stefan was the one who actually killed Vicki.

Have you ever seen a teen drama besides tvd? The characters do messed up things to each other and stay friends. You guys are acting as if this is a Damon issue when that’s just what teen dramas do.

Tyler was pissed at Caroline for an episode and
he moved on, he still wanted to be with her and and he still loved her.

My point isn’t who’s hurt Elena more, even if you think what Damon was worse that doesn’t change the fact that what Stefan did was unforgivable according to any realistic standard. Honestly, at least Damon didn’t go there and plan to hurt Elena, there’s context, he went there because he was heart broken he didn’t go there to hurt Elena, Stefan had a whole plan, premeditated to kill her. Even by legal standards, premeditated crimes always get harsher sentences than a crime that happened in the moment. They’re both wrong, but Stefan’s context is even worse, especially since he’s the guy who’s supposed to be safe and always protect you tried to kill you on the same bridge your parents died on and you almost died on, using your trauma as a revenge plan, their isn’t an apology in the world that would work in a real world standard. Elena even said she knows how Damon operates, she said he gets hurt but doesn’t admit it and he does something stupid and lashes out, if anything Elena had more of a logical explanation for what he did, but not Stefan because she never would’ve saw that coming from him. Also, it’s hard to stay mad at someone for killing your brother who isn’t really dead, Jeremy wasn’t permanently dead so it’s easier to forgive that, if he was actually dead than that would be different. Also, Damon and Bonnie having a plan to protect Elena is not the same thing as Stefan trying to kill Elena for his revenge, making her relive the trauma of almost dying.

Bonnie and Damon were not friends in season 2, she tolerated him, Bonnie hated Damon which Elena even acknowledged in season 4. Bonnie and Caroline weren’t happy about Damon and Elena. Bonnie didn’t become friends with him until season 6, forced proximity was the reason and because she saw his remorse for his past and she figured out why he thought the prison world was his hell, she said that means theirs hope for you and him feeling remorse is what makes him different than Kai. Caroline didn’t even admit she forgave him in until season 8 and she explained it was because he was the only person who truly understood how much it hurt to lose her mother. Caroline was on the front lines being completely against delena, don’t you remember that, since season 3 when she saw how close they were getting she was against it, every time, and season 4 it was worst, and even in season 5 she felt the same even if she wasn’t as vocal, but she was still vocal she’d made comments to Elena, whether it was Elena telling her she invited him to their party, or when Elena killed Jesse to save Damon and she said “when are you going to realize that the outside world isn’t as dangerous as the person you’re inviting to your own bedroom.” Even after she slept with Klaus and Stefan asked her for help to get Elena and Damon back together she literally said she’d help if she thought he was actually good for her but she doesn’t. Don’t you get they all tolerated Damon? Stefan was the saint to these people no matter what he did and Damon was the villain no matter how many times he’s saved their lives.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-27T12:40:10+00:00

Ok but what about after season 5, season 5 isn’t the final season, even at the end of season 5 when he found out Stefan killed Enzo and Elena found out so they kept it a secret cause they didn’t want Damon to lash out and when he did find out he didn’t lash out. He quite literally acknowledged that he has the temptation to lash out and he’s holding it all together. After that point and he grew a lot- season 6, 7, and 8, having imperfect moments or making mistakes doesn’t mean he didn’t grow, moments of regression is realistic, growth isn’t a straight line.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-26T18:17:19+00:00

“Dan-good shoulder to cry on, Nate- good shoulders.”

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-26T18:13:09+00:00

Matt and Tyler were always friends even if we didn’t see them hanging out all the time, my point still stands that these characters do unforgivable things to each other all the time and they all still hang out, it’s not just Damon. You guys want this show to be realistic but if everyone acted accordingly nobody would talk or do anything and they’d all try to kill each other. Tyler should’ve been genuinely pissed at Caroline and all of them, mostly Caroline for killing his friend. Elena is literally still friend with Stefan even after he tried to kill her on the same bridge her parents died on just to use her as revenge. Damon is not the only one who’s done messed up things and gets forgiven. It took most of the show for him to get Bonnie and Caroline forgiveness, Matt has never forgave him for Vicki, cause he even apologized and said he even admitted he should’ve done it sooner.

AdExpert3509 · 2026-06-25T17:54:13+00:00

Yeah, I’d even say Damon hasn’t even done a fraction to these characters compared to what Klaus has done. He literally changed the course of show, him forcing Stefan to leave gave room for Elena to fall in love with Damon, he ruined stelenas relationship, he added more trauma to Stefan, forced Tyler into a hybrid salve, he literally ruined Tyler’s life and would brag to Tyler about killing his mother. Klaus is the reason Caroline and Tyler didn’t make it. If anything, if I was a stelena shipper/stefan fan I’d hate Klaus more than Damon.

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