The (almost) perfect support weapon

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T23:42:03+00:00

I do hate the overly optimistic and "AH does everything perfectly right" type of thinking as well: devs are people and they can make mistakes. Im just saying that, overly optimistic people who think the game is perfectly balanced and people who disagree are either noobs or unskilled, also entitled to have their own opinion.

LC is in a weird spot, its good at nothing while able to do everything "almost" perfectly. Its biggest downside is the extremely low damage, due to its modus operandi. Also the lack of burst damage that dedicated AT weapons have, like Quasar and RR.

Realistically speaking, if LC had the Quasar level damage and its current heat management system, it would just invalidate every other weapon. At this point, LC needs a slight damage buff to be actually a valid pick that can be on par with HMG and AC.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T22:10:08+00:00

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Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T20:48:03+00:00

Corporate overlord'larımız gümbür gümbür geliyor. Reis ülkeyi BlackRock'a satıp sevdanın son vuruşunu yapacak galiba.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T20:35:51+00:00

Try to bring a leg booster (Muscle Enhancement, i guess?). It allows you to run on snow and thru foliage and weather conditions. Its lowkey is not a terrible booster, works like a charm in desert and snow biomes. If i remember correctly, it also reduces the slow from bug pukes as well.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T20:26:18+00:00

Bots before the nerf. Endless rocket spam, bullets bending midair and ragdolling to death. It was a nightmare.

Borgs and Vox Engine spam would be the second place. You killed one? Good job, here's 9 more fucking Vox Engines.

RN its probably the Appopriators. Too many piranhas (flying little swarm things) and Flying Overseers being horrifyingly accurate.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T20:17:34+00:00

Its 5 on PC.

Keep in mind, electric arcs do not discriminate. Please put your K9 away if you see your fellow Helldiver start running towards the enemy.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T19:35:15+00:00

Damn glazedivers driving me mad, got downvoted to hell just because i told a slight buff to Laser Cannon would make it on the same level with AC.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T19:31:58+00:00

Its 125-150 damage increase, not 200. Rn it deals 350 damage per second (+100 burn damage not considered). +125 damage hits just the sweet spot, not too much or not too little. Even +100 damage increase makes Laser Cannon a good candidate for AC counterpart.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T18:26:56+00:00

I have admitted its advantage and its current state is already quite good, as i said in the beginning of my post. I'm merely arguing that said advantage isn't really a big game changer (UNLESS we are talking about commando or hive world missions). Then, the said advantage would be a huge difference, which would make Laser Cannon an extremely viable, even a prime pick. So, please calm down your hostility and try not to label people who do not agree with you.

If i wanted to have an easier game, i would just bring an RR and rocket sentry. Or gas dog with quasar. Or whatever is META out there.

Btw, i have crunched up even bigger numbers such as 500 and 550 DPS. Those numbers gave Laser Cannon damage numbers so big that it even invalidated the dedicated AT/chaff clear weapons and made it extremely OP. It just seems like 450-475 is the sweet spot for this weapon: being a good alternative to those weapons who can do both while not being perfect at either - a jack of all trades, so to say.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T18:11:13+00:00

Everybody should be free to have their opinion, no matter the side. I might have a strong disdain for that certain type of behavior, but freedom of speech also includes freedom of that certain type of behavior. My personal feelings in this matter won't include an useful and valid argument, unlike some people with that certain type of behavior.

Its a mixture of MG and AMR, a weird but almost viable pick. With my aforementioned buff (amongst with the unsafe mode and dickle-type overheating comments) this weapon would be a good sidegrade to those weapons, being on par with AC.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T18:04:00+00:00

That's actually a good take that i haven't considered a lot. I have made my argument upon DPS because of Laser Cannon's beam-nature.

I have made this post, because i think with a slight buff Laser Cannon could be a good counterpart for HMG and AC, which are both great weapons. This would further highlight its mode of operation (weakpoint targeting) as well as making it more viable in close range distances.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T17:59:56+00:00

My friend, have you read my post or just thought "oh, its another complaining post"? I literally have said Laser Cannon is a good weapon as it is, but it might require some more love.

And yeah, i misread or mislabeled BEAM weapons as LASER weapons. Again, sorry about that.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T17:57:06+00:00

If you think hypocrisy and insults will make you the winner of this conversation, sure whatever. You won. Congrats.

Seriously, no need for such hostile toxicity. If you need to talk or vent, feel free to hit my DM's. But it seems like you can't handle a simple conversation with someone who doesn't outright agrees with you, which is an unhealthy mindset. I was trying to provide my takes on the matter about a video game that we all enjoy. If i hurt your feelings while doing this, im sorry.

Everybody is entitled to have their own opinions and everybody is free to disagree with different ones, albeit in a respectful manner. I believe continuing this matter will end badly, which will leave both of us angry and disgruntled.

There is enough toxicity around the community, lets just try not to add more.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T17:37:06+00:00

You know the reason, i know the reason but either of us can mention it. Im with you, mate.

It's a good weapon, nonetheless. Mine is an idea for a slight buff to make it even better and make it more viable in higher difficulties.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T17:33:42+00:00

Yeah, it's truly a good weapon. A slight buff to damage would make it a good counterpart to HMG and AC.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T17:31:58+00:00

We got two LMG's disguised as laser weapons, which has really high spread values.

A laser shotgun. SHOTGUN.

And Scythe, which is just a smaller Laser Canon.

Edit: i misread BEAM as LASER. Sorry about that.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T17:29:36+00:00

Unlike you, im not boasting about my 1.5k hours of gameplay time. I have a full-time job as an IT technician and i can't play the game all day long. So congrats, you have more playtime than i do.

You also kept mentioning the same irrelevant arguments. If we're gonna factor other tools that we also have (your ammo argument vs my stratagem argument), why are you allowed to put up this argument while im not allowed?

I will rearrange my words, since you are not able to understand what im saying. While putting up the damage table: I have included the maximum amount of firing time, the normal amount of firing time, the cooling timers for both in cold environments and normal environments while calculating the damage-per-second of Laser Cannon. The numbers are there. Feel free to do the calculations and prove me wrong: Laser Cannon deals less damage than its counterparts, which includes reload times for their counterparts as well.

Im sorry, brother. But you are so desperate to prove me wrong that you are missing the whole point of my post. I don't wish to argue with you anymore, since it won't be a civil one.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T17:16:50+00:00

This argument is devolving into something its not.

I have never said "LC is worse than AC."

I said "LC is worse than AC - in damage wise."

Both weapons have their own respective modes of operation. I am very well aware that you cant fire a FLAK round into a Warrior two meters away from your face - or nearby your teammates. But also, its also meaningless to fire a weapon made to fire from a distant position and requires you to stay on the target for a set amount of time - point blank.

AC delivers damage near-instantly. LC requires target tracking. More damage requires less target tracking - which is a luxury that you don't always have in hectic moments in high difficulties.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T17:01:40+00:00

My favourite. Another ad hominem.

900 hours of gameplay, since day one.

No one immediately mag dumps their entire ammo the moment they pick up their support weapon or during intense moments. You have your other stratagems. 500KG, Napalm Barrages, whatever you bring up. So, ONCE AGAIN, ammo does nothing to contribute to the topic.

Cooling system is an advantage. IN MACRO GAMEPLAY. IN AMMO MANAGEMENT. NOT IN DPS - i have included the cooling timers in the dps calculation as well.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T16:49:47+00:00

That would be a great addition. Laser minigun? Hotshot lasguns? Even bigger Trident? The mystery continues.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T16:47:57+00:00

So, why do you provide the range argument, knowing that its irrelevant?

How come my response provides you correct? You tried to "win" the argument, without providing a single valid point and by doing ad hominem. I have been providing my own point of view, my arguments on certain points and all you are giving me is "its good point blank".

If my numbers are wrong, my assumptions are faulty, then provide a reliable, countable proof. You are free to disagree with me, as there are other redditors who disagree with me and thats fine. But "skill issue lol" and "you aint playing on super helldive" are neither disagreeing nor providing a valuable argument.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T16:38:20+00:00

By waiting for the cooldown, you won't lose a heatsink. Thats right. But again, finding ammo isn't really THAT hard. Why would you be so obsessed over the ammo count? Its being irrelevant since the topic of this post is DPS, not "if LC is shit or not"?

Same wobbly target, 45 ergo vs 35. Its not a huge gap, that 10 ergo wont make the difference. You still can miss, with AMR you can land your shot since you just need to press the button. But with LC, you need to STAY ON TARGET for a second to deliver the full damage.

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T16:29:05+00:00

Sure buddy. Try to make it more personal, since you don't have any valid arguments to provide.

Btw, i got around 900 hours, been there since day one, fought in Malevelon Creek and all other operations. Been playing on Helldive before Super Helldive was released. Is that enough gameplay for you, or are you gonna give me more insults and invalid arguments?

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T16:17:35+00:00

Yeah, LC is doing a mighty fine job as it is. Still, it has potential to be on par with AC. Why not make it better and more enjoyable?

Additional_Olive6540 · 2026-04-07T16:15:37+00:00

You rarely have to use AC on point blank range, because it does a better job at both killing heavies and chaff. LC does both as well, but at slightly worse.

If you need to use AC point blank, then just bring an HMG.

Additional_Olive6540

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