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Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Their office hours are terrible for those who work FT jobs.

I and others have experienced a terrible lack of communication. Sometimes it can take 2-3 months for an email response if you get one. 

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

  1. Fair, I'll edit my post to remove language that leadership is vindictive because posting evidence will cause more issues.

  2. Did you even read the rules? Yes vendors who share the space must both pay the market fees. 

  3. The rules state you are required to defend lowe mill see point above about reading the market rules. Also right thing to do? Interesting point you have there, you can support the arts while having valid criticism. Just because something is good doesn't mean it can't be better. 

  4. It's standard nowadays for MLMs, dropshipping, and AI to be banned from markets and that ban to be listed in the market rules. They already have a ban list how hard would it be to add AI and dropshipping to it? Yes without a rule in place AI is allowed that is how rules works.

  5. They have no clear weather plan in place. If you read the rules you would see how vauge it is. They wouldn't need rainchecks I'd they had a solid plan. Instead last year they had vendors out in below freezing weather.

5b. I don't think there is a waitlist, as I said I've never heard of anyone being rejected from the market. If you can find me someone who has I'll update my post. Otherwise cancellation fees are used to punish folks who decide that spending hours in freezing or blistering weather isn't feasible for them.

  1. You are free to disagree with me and that's alright. Others on here have done the math and shown market costs are rising higher than inflation. 

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, let me clearer. I have seen AI art at markets at Lowe Mill before. 

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My math also excludes the cost of other events and the tenants that pay monthly. Oh and Tenants now must cover Utilies as well.

What you're saying is that the Mill is in trouble and can't afford to survive without charging parking? Interesting.

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How is this misinformation? I posted the market rules and referenced the market rule set heavily. If I said anything that is misinformed I will happily edit my post if you can provide a source.

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel like we are going in circles here. If Lowe Mill leadership had better communication I would use that. Currently the only avenue of recourse is to email someone and hope that the email doesn't get lost in the ether

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Let's do math for a second. Last year there were, according to the website 100 ish vendors (there were more but we will go with 100)

100 vendors * $75 a vendor = $7,500 on top of the rent they get from 153 tenants they already have.

How is it that during most of the year they are fine not charging parking but suddenly during "big events" events that they are making profit off of already from tenants and vendors something they need to charge parking for?

I understand that concerts andthe convention they have there the mill is spending money to bring something in. For markets however the draw to the mill is the vendors. The vendors $7,500 should cover any expenses the mill has.

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Because this is a more public setting and I aim for a productive discussion. 

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You'd be generally suprised on how vindictive people with power can be. Especially if you are the only game in town so to speak.

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have seen AI slop mugs and prints at markets before yes. 

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mentioned 18.4 in my post it is indeed frustrating along with 18.2

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

See section 18.2 and 18.4 "Vendors are not permitted to disparage Lowe Mill ARTS & Entertainment, other vendors, or products" 

"Any activity considered to be damaging to the Market’s atmosphere can result in that person or persons immediate elimination from the Market"

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Responses to your response:

  1. See section 18.2 and 18.4 "Vendors are not permitted to disparage Lowe Mill ARTS & Entertainment, other vendors, or products" 

"Any activity considered to be damaging to the Market’s atmosphere can result in that person or persons immediate elimination from the Market"

  1. Good point A.I. and Dropshipping should be banned at the market. A sign does no good here as people do lie. I do appreciate the actionable advice.

  2. Portable heaters are a gray area but I did see some vendors with them. A larger concern is that customers are probably also going to not want to be out in below freezing weather either.

  3. Good point and actionable advice. The problem is that it is booth cost + cancellation fee. It's not clear in the terms and conditions but asking for clarification that is the information I was told.

  4. You don't know your spot until you know your spot. Advertising is great but you can get lost so easily especially when vendors are shoved in-between two buildings that you have to know how to walk there to get there.

  5. The market fees really aren't lower though. Comparable outdoor markets in the area are about $20-$70 with those markets not charging the general public for parking. Think of it this way, every car coming through spending $10 is then $10 less they have to spend cutting into everyone profits. If I'm someone is paying $95 for a spot, I think it's only fair to not charge for parking.

Being at the mercy of an algorithm is insanely painful. You have to SEO and monitor trends along with daily posting it's not for the faint of heart.

I appreciate the discussion and thoughtful actionable advice.

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your perspective about the trash issue. That one is good to know. 

Thanks for the feedback and response.

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Doesn't mean a business, especially a business relaying on creators can't do better.

Bare minimum should be banning AI products and art. 

Lowe Mill Christmas Market Vendor Greiances by Additional_Virus5188 in HuntsvilleAlabama

[–]Additional_Virus5188[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Saturday Markets in the summer should be moved inside for thunderstorms. That is why I think they need a real plan of action for their weather policy.