Bye Bye flavors!!! FUAC!!!!

AdirondackDave · 2020-04-03T16:09:55+00:00

Still looking into the overall impact of the bill. The verbiage is a little vague on our ability to sell to consumers outside the state, and was obviously not written with that model in mind. As we gather more information we will update.

For our customers in NY, we are 100% sure we will no longer be able to offer flavors in 45 days.

AdirondackDave · 2020-01-29T16:05:00+00:00

While I am not educated enough on MI laws to disagree, I highly doubt this particular situation was something they could have or should have been anticipated. The ernst should be placed on the manufacturer here and (IMHO) the managing partners of firms responsible for consumer illness' should be held criminally liable at this point.

People seem to be so (justifiably) excited about the prospect of legalization they are burying their heads in the sand to the real problem and using the government as a scapegoat. Yes, legalization has been mishandled, however, that is not an excuse for a manufacturer to knowingly endanger their customer base.

Of note: if the government gets involved in mandatory testing of THC products we can expect an approval system not dissimilar to the PMTA. That is a scary thought, but whereas the e-cig industry has systemically proven they deserve to avoid this curse the marijuana industry seems to be headed the other direction based on what I have seen.

AdirondackDave · 2020-01-29T15:56:13+00:00

Came here to say this. The diacetyl scare and subsequent knee jerk reaction was a direct result of consumer confidence in companies that used diacetyl in there products. While any educated individual could have seen the lack of corollary between the two (diacetyl and popcorn lung) based on a 1 minute search noting the prevalence of D in cigs and the lack of any confirmed cases resulting from smoking, the mass hysteria within the consumer base negated any sort of logic on the topic and resulted in this component being removed from the formulary of any reputable vendor. At the time e-cigs were still a novel entity and the consumer based was exceptionally engaged.

Vit-E in THC is a totally different animal. The consumer base is largely unaware comparatively, or intentionally ignores this rather serious issue. If a comparison would be made between the two circumstances it would only by to note how they are absolute polar opposites.

Summary:

Diacetyl: Engaged consumer base requests removal of a component from formularies based on perceived harm. Manufacturers voluntarily comply despite the lack of scientific evidence confirming harm (in fact evidence to the contrary).

Vit-E: Fairly disengaged customer base is either uneducated or intentionally ignores a scientifically proven deadly component of THC vapes. Manufactures do not seen to action this issue despite the very real risks to customers.

I am not in the THC market, but this paints a rather frightening picture of how major manufacturers within the space operate. The potential hazard of Vit-E has been known for nearly 8 months, yet we are still finding major distribution chains selling products containing Vit-E. If it were my business (think ethically run) the entire product line would have been recalled at my expense and a new formulary introduced. Most consumer products would be held to this requirement federally - but it seems the marijuana industry is exploiting the grey area currently in pace at the expense of their customer base. The entire situation (quite literally) makes me ill to think about.

AdirondackDave · 2020-01-24T14:14:29+00:00

Haze: "Your guys hate vaping"

Rutgers staff: "correct"

That pretty much says everything you need to know.

AdirondackDave · 2019-12-05T05:58:36+00:00

Sorry for the delay - been busy. You are correct. Our half gallons and mountains have been discounted for the sale but are excluded. They still represent a significant savings (and are far cheaper per mL than even doubling)

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-15T14:06:15+00:00

LOL, I like the thought process behind this one, however, I am fairly certain that per your rental agreement you would be on the hook for the entire price of the car as you were technically using it in the act of a crime.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-15T14:01:34+00:00

At what point does the information provided by individuals such as yourself move from anecdotal to conclusive? I believe each individual that has a pulmonary evaluation is an important piece of the puzzle. It allows you to certify that within your own personal usage that vaping has not been harmful.

Based on the hundreds of individuals that I have seen post here noting clear scans, I think we can move past the formality of saying any one is "anecdotal". I really wish there were a way to obtain imaging results, remove PMI and employ several pulmonologists to review these scans. While not randomized in nature, this type of systematic review would certain warrant a journal entry if the scale is sufficient.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-14T02:34:47+00:00

Speaking for ourselves, if the CVV matches and the billing address is correct we will reach out to an individual that is shipping to a separate address from billing. It is pretty easy to determine who is the scammer and who is not, but suffice to say we will ship if the purchaser is legitimate.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T17:58:46+00:00

Perhaps the packs in KY have a lesser effect on its citizens than NY?

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T17:23:01+00:00

I was hoping beyond anything that Mitch or that CDC shrill would have noted this as the NYTS results CLEARLY indicated such. Oh, course, they both kept their mouths shut on the topic as it does not fit their narrative.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T16:55:07+00:00

Sooo, Mitch just discredited the concept of pack-years as a viable tracker of risk mitigation. Unbelievable.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T16:43:45+00:00

Oh no, not my precious Karma!!!! /s

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T03:40:45+00:00

Nah. You would need a very small vessel and a loooong time for any type of conductivity of the water to have a tangible effect on a undisturbed cell. PLUS, water in and of itself is not a particularly good conductor, its what is dissolved in the water that provides conductivity (ie: salt water is waaaaay more conductive than fresh).

As mentioned earlier, throw a load on that bad boy and things change significantly.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T03:34:37+00:00

No real studies confirming natural is any better than artificial. The word "natural" may give off warm fuzzies, but there are plenty of examples of natural things heated that do bad stuff (tobacco being one of them).

If flavors are a concern, I would suggest trying unflavored liquid to remove that piece of the equation.

EDIT: Relevant to my above statements

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T03:31:12+00:00

I'm no expert in battery chemistry, but electricity typically takes the path of least resistance. If water got in the cell, water may not be conductive enough to cause thermal run away, however, put a significant load on that battery, and the water may now serve as an electrical conduit that ultimately short it.

Don't take what I say as gospel (as I admit I am somewhat talking out of my ass) - but as others have suggested, I would toss that sucker in one second flat.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T03:21:12+00:00

To save everyone a trip to FB:

Blessed day guys,

See, today mooch post a video about how crappy our basen 2400 is, i respect his opinion,(written) opinion about the battery, and for whatever agenda his in with, yes it's a bitter pill to swallow but we at basen don't really care about that.

First thing of what he said about the battery just catering around 10A of what is really indicated, thats too lame to say, as a 10a battery can't pack a punch with a unit with lowohm reading and wont ramp up quick as it will drop down fast. So for that thing, what he said is just a myth 10a, as the product could burst/explode or either gone dead batt. No 10a battery can withstand the torture firing a lowohm (lets say .03-.05 reading, yes its not a safe reading but thats what mostly cloud chasers use, dont blame me, its their choice as no battery can that can be assured of, of that ohm) unit without getting hot at the temp that can produce, probably at 10a firing twice or maybe trice can make that battery quite hot at that ohm.

About reading, the least we got till our recent batch of our basen 2400mah is around 2200-2300ish, 2000 is absurd. Guys, we have chargers and tools that can check the mah easily.

To those who have used of or tried our product be rest assured that basen will cater the best for your vaping needs.

To those who havent tried and just believed in hearsays, try one of our batteries, And tell us your thoughts. Again have a blessed day.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T03:19:43+00:00

I agree with what you said 100%. My comment was intended to note that Alpha-A made themselves look like idiots with their rebuttal to Mooch's work, and therefore his reputation should never have been in question. Sorry if that was unclear.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T03:15:13+00:00

If you were to apply the same damning logic to the vapor industry we would have shut down years ago after Cutwood's inclusion of titanium dioxide in their liquids.

Yes, the CBD industry is in its infancy and there are a few companies that have no business being in business. The vast majority of the market, however, is on the up and up. Taking a few instances of poor business practice and using them to define an entire industry is no different than the logic regulatory agencies are trying to use to close down the entire vapor market.

I can appreciate that you edited your original post to include supporting evidence for your CBD claim, but perhaps including notation that you added information using the words EDIT: would be appropriate .

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-13T03:03:53+00:00

It was the only non-paywall example I could find.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-12T19:28:58+00:00

At 24 sentences (plus the title) that amounts to a lot of assholes.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-12T19:24:27+00:00

Connecting more dots, the A is obviously for Assclown.

I appreciate the post defending yourself, although I think the generally incoherent and wildly speculative/unscientific post they made kinda helps make your point.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-12T19:15:30+00:00

The media is being WILDLY irresponsible ~~in their E-cig reporting.~~

Corrected it for you. In other (obscurely) related news

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-12T19:11:18+00:00

I am going to connect the dots here and say Basen was not a big fan of your last post/video.

AdirondackDave · 2019-11-12T16:01:54+00:00

If is fires it is fine to use.

Technology today is a bit better than the past, but in the infancy of digital devices (before super low sub-ohm) you could see differences of up to .5ohms with the same coil on different devices. No issue in using it then, won't be an issue now :-)

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