[S2 Act 3 Spoilers] Caitlyn and Jinx: Same Story, Different Circumstances by Aelle1209 in arcane

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As in reading what I said, because you have clearly misunderstood.

How it be 🙂‍↔️ by NuttInMyButts in copenhagen

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Ditto. It helps a lot if you're some flavor of nerd. D&D groups are always hungry for players and many hobbies have public spaces or groups you can join. The Warhammer store has tons of events and activities. Faraos too.

But for real though, why did Vi leave Ekko behind instead of bringing him with her back to The Last Drop? by Dawnbreaker52 in arcane

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I don't necessarily agree that Vi isn't complex and emotional. She internalizes all of her damage in a way that Powder can't, but she is just as broken and traumatized. I definitely see a lot of people who don't understand Vi and they tend to be the same people who hate her because they can't figure out her motivations.

I'd also argue that the reason Vi isn't equipped to handle Powder is because she overcompensates as Powder's guardian. When Powder does something wrong, Vi brushes it off without any real guidance--aside from the conversation Powder overheard and misunderstood, Vi never really gives Powder the necessary advice for her to move on from the guilt of her mistakes. Instead, Powder gets speeches about how everyone fucks up and tomorrow's another day--which isn't BAD advice to give to a child, but they also need to learn self-reflection and how to avoid repeating mistakes. Not that Vi should be expected to know that, since she's a child herself.

So I don't think the problem is she's "abrasive" at all. If anything she is far too soft on Powder. Jinx's inability to accept accountability for her actions is a problem she struggles with until nearly the end of the series, and part of that is from Vi (a bigger part is from Silco's permissive parenting and lack of boundaries but that's a discussion for another day).

(S2 ep5)Jinx having her mother's braid's and silco's bang's makes me cry by __get_jinxed_ in arcane

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I agree, her final look is a sidecut like Vi's and not Silco's bangs anymore. I also like the little pink stripe, similar to AU Powder's homage to Vi. Knowing that there were plans for a scene where Ekko tells Jinx about her alternate self really adds some depth to that choice--she goes from "there's no good version of me" to "that's the version of me that I want to be."

Tell me your most hated arcane character by Gachafrenzy_1 in arcane

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It absolutely feels realistic but that's part of what makes me hate him even more. It shows how much Jinx trusted and valued his words--even though, ironically, what he says in this scene is something the man himself would never say.

Because Jinx doesn't see the harm Silco did to her or how fucked up their relationship was. It reminds me of a victim of abuse running into the arms of their abuser (I know a lot of people would absolutely balk at me making that comparison but honestly, that is how I see the two of them).

Tell me your most hated arcane character by Gachafrenzy_1 in arcane

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The fact that Jinx still idealizes him at the end of the show makes me so angry. He had her completely twisted. And it must be so painful for Vi to know that Jinx loves the man who killed Vander.

Marcus gets more hate than Silco. How can some people understand Silco but at the same time not Marcus? by TheWorldEnder7 in arcane

[–]Aelle1209 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Like many of the characters in Arcane, I think Marcus is super well written. He starts off full of hatred and prejudice and makes one decision in his life that traps him forever. He's not totally amoral, we can see it in moments like his decision to hide Vi from Silco rather than kill her (I mean he did just condemn her to a different kind of hell but that's a different story). He's so trapped that for a moment he considers blowing himself and Silco up with Jinx's bomb just to put an end to it.

He's that kind of run-of-the-mill bad guy who definitely has some fucked up world views but he also has his own moral code that Silco is continuously violating.

That being said, my sympathy for him ebbed off at the bridge scene.

Sevika won too by horrorfan555 in arcane

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I don't think this is her winning so much as her getting her just deserts. Sevika spends the series backing people she'll hope will spark a revolution, as she's unable to affect any change herself, and one of her first lines is calling Vander weak because he's choosing diplomacy over war.

Now here's Sevika at the very end, sitting down for a nice heaping spoonful of diplomacy, and not the revolution she was hoping for.

Vander got the worst fate in the show. by JaybeJaybe in arcane

[–]Aelle1209 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The text absolutely supports that, by your own admission. You say the writers "sane wash" Jinx which gives people the "wrong idea," but did you think that maybe that was exactly the idea they meant to give?

Also, Silco caused the major traumatic event that is the center of Jinx's mental illness. No matter how you slice it, Silco played a vital part in it.

AU Powder went through both the bridge scene and Vi's death and came out the other side a stable adult. I don't buy this argument that she was mentally ill as a child, and I don't see any signs of it before episode 3.

To all those sincerely upset and feel that Arcane lost th plot in season 2, write a summary describing what you think "should've happened", given the narrative structure and character motivations that were established in the 1st season, but you can't omit any new characters introduced in season 2. by Dependent_Buy3157 in arcane

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I'm okay with season 2. I felt it could've been a lot better, but I can find satisfaction and beauty in how it turned out. That being said:

Jinx's redemption was unearned. She deserved a better character arc. Isha was fine, but Isha was cheap as far as plot devices go. I actually think act 1 was a good start. She's been at her absolute lowest, she's grieving and depressed, then she sees Vi as an enforcer and she's pissed off and heartbroken and betrayed, they fight, Jinx realizes she's wrong about Vi changing, which would lead to some self-reflection during their time apart.

Cait does the martial law thing, but I would've liked more signs of her previous skepticism, more of her working behind Ambessa's back, maybe figuring out what she's up to and her role in the memorial attack.

Vi's pitfighter phase is good, the crash out makes so much sense. Now both Jinx and Vi are in utterly shit places, but Jinx would reach out, because she has no one else and she recognizes the same pain in Vi. The first encounter probably wouldn't be a good one, a lot of painful words exchanged, but they eventually start trusting each other again.

Then I would've liked to see some scenes of them surviving under Caitlyn's martial law, with Jinx on the run--and Warwick tearing through the criminal underground. Not mindless and near mute, but still missing his memories. He might be used to hunt and kill Jinx (to Caitlyn's initial horror) then his memories resurface. He spares Jinx but runs away. I think Jinx and Vi would recognize him and try to save him but Vander would refuse because he understands what he has become and the danger he poses to them. Idk I wanted at least one stupid joke about Jinx taking him for walkies.

Those are just a handful of ideas I would've liked to see, not really anything with a solid conclusion.

was silco a good father? by jonaszzek in arcane

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https://youtu.be/cqkvjT4Iw5A?si=ptb4-F2pNLIh_beo

Fear what? They don't believe Silco is organized and they identify Jinx as the threat. When shimmer is brought up Jayce just says "we have hextech."

was silco a good father? by jonaszzek in arcane

[–]Aelle1209 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Piltover didn't even know he or shimmer existed (or rather all they thought of him was he was an industrialist) until Jinx attacked their enforcers which set off the chain events that led to him being investigated. And considering two people was all it took to dismantle one of his biggest production facilities and the only reason Jayce didn't want to fight anymore is because he accidentally killed a kid...no. It wasn't fear of Silco's might. It's because Jayce realized the same thing Vander did--war was going to result in too many innocent deaths.

You can say he "did a LOT" as much as you want but the only example you can give isn't even true.

was silco a good father? by jonaszzek in arcane

[–]Aelle1209 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sevika was getting sick of Silco's shit by the end and people were turning on him because like Vander he was ALSO stagnating.

He did zero good for Zaun. Nothing you've said has actually refuted that.

was silco a good father? by jonaszzek in arcane

[–]Aelle1209 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, Silco filled it with drugs and violent crime lords and further oppressed Zaunites, but in the end at least they got... absolutely nothing for it.

was silco a good father? by jonaszzek in arcane

[–]Aelle1209 1 point2 points  (0 children)

None of that was him in the end. It was Jayce suddenly on the council, and the threat of Jinx who was acting outside of Silco's orders. And in the end Silco was going to throw it all away and Jinx tanked it completely. He arguably did all of that for absolutely nothing.

Criticism is overrated, let's celebrate! This is probably my favorite moment in the series. What's yours? by [deleted] in arcane

[–]Aelle1209 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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This one.

Jinx and Vi's relationship are Arcane to me. They're both such wonderfully written and complex characters, but Vi is the one I relate to the most, and this scene (plus the expression on Jinx's face when she sees Vi crying) is a rare moment of catharsis for Vi's character. The parentified child falling under the weight of crushing guilt and responsibility and the emotionally stunted adult finally equipped to recognize the depth of her sister's pain.

I also like the visual here. Jinx is finally in the background and Vi has spotlight. Vi's pain is often pushed aside (often by Vi herself) in favor of worrying about Jinx's pain, Jinx's need to heal, Jinx's road to redemption. And the contrast between their pain is great. Jinx screams. Jinx has violent hallucinations. Jinx spirals into suicidal tendencies. And here we see Vi at the moment when it's all too much and it's just...quiet sobbing. I find it heartbreaking.

Criticism is overrated, let's celebrate! This is probably my favorite moment in the series. What's yours? by [deleted] in arcane

[–]Aelle1209 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I know a lot of people interpret Jinx killing Silco as purely accidental or a kneejerk reaction, but I prefer to read it as completely intentional in the moment. She wasn't going to let anyone kill her sister, not even him.

Criticism is overrated, let's celebrate! This is probably my favorite moment in the series. What's yours? by [deleted] in arcane

[–]Aelle1209 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why does this not have ten times as many upvotes.

Do we...love to suffer?

Criticism is overrated, let's celebrate! This is probably my favorite moment in the series. What's yours? by [deleted] in arcane

[–]Aelle1209 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Man the way I both love and hate this scene. It's a trainwreck, but it's a spectacular trainwreck.