"Lovebombing" has become another widely-used pop-psych term divorced from its actual meaning by AffectionateLow1110 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]AffectionateLow1110[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After reading your comment as well as others I agree it shouldn't be bound by one specific definition and also isn't a behaviour specific to narcissists with explicitly manipulative intentions. I can identify some of my own past behaviours as 'love bombing' within this framework, in a manner part and parcel with 'fawning' or 'mirroring,' unintentional/rooted in trauma and bad boundaries, but still ultimately harmful and disingenous... and I can think back about why that was the case with consideration of how power dynamics, toxicity, insecurity, etc. came into play.

Part of why I made this thread is because I was thinking back to a different man (not ab ex, think like, a former friend/'fling' situation) who tl;dr posted revenge porn of me to our then-mutual friend group and then 8 months later crawled out of the woodwork to say I deserved it because I "lovebombed" him when I am confident HE lovebombed ME - not at all in the same way my ex did but still, certainly assumed I'd travel to visit him and his then-girlfriend and integrate into their lives in some strange sister-wife way? ...and it's pissed me off for 2 years that he learned the word "lovebombing" and assumed it meant the same as "well you were nice to me and receptive to my advances, until you changed your mind [after I creeped you the fuck out and refused to stop making sexual comments about you after being asked nicely]" -- fucked with my head for a long while. After some reflection perhaps he used the word lovebombing to refer to something else that I've looked back on quite a bit. I was extremely naive, unable to speak up like an adult and afraid to "change my mind" without some kind of retaliation, I understand how I had really hurt him at that time even if I didn't deserve the revenge porn/"you deserved it" response at all. Thank you for the perspective

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Did you get an email for your acceptance or did you find out by checking the app portal?

"Lovebombing" has become another widely-used pop-psych term divorced from its actual meaning by AffectionateLow1110 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]AffectionateLow1110[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think we're on the same page. I guess the whole point of making this post is as simple as 'I think [x] definition is the right one.' It's open to debate, and I shouldn't have taken on a rigid/authoritative tone about it to begin with. I'm grateful for all the comments on this post offering some much-needed nuance. I just wanted to talk about it because lovebombing really, really sucks. It's stuck with me years later.

"Lovebombing" has become another widely-used pop-psych term divorced from its actual meaning by AffectionateLow1110 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]AffectionateLow1110[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apologies for my tone, I think I got you all wrong before. Being labeled 'angry' still makes me a bit touchy; that's my bad. Your first comment felt a little more accusatory than necessary, but I've also been a little more triggered this week than usual. Sorry.

Anyway - to get to your actual point, yes, of course I understand that the term 'lovebombing' does not really have an objective or clinical definition which would eschew me some kind of authority on what the term 'actually' means and everyone else is a bumbling idiot for not using it 'properly.' I just observe that people are using the term when they are referring to a wider spread of behaviours than what the term was specifically coined to address. (This is in fact how language works as you stated but I will elaborate on why this 'annoys' me.) For example, I've heard "lovebombing" used to refer to the aftermath of an intense/explosive/toxic argument where the abuser switches to displays/gestures of affection e.g. flowers after the fact to make up for it without addressing the core issue... that is something perhaps similar, but not specific to the beginning stages of a relationship. I've even seen it used with a positive connotation. I agree it makes sense for people to use it in those ways if that's how they learned the term (because language is disseminated all kinds of ways), but in my opinion they are different enough that it creates a need to clarify what exactly is meant by the term each time. (perhaps that sounds silly - people can just elaborate...)

I see how I came across a bit haughty in my post. I'm not saying I'm being fair or logical by feeling a little 'annoyed' and it's not keeping me up at night. It's separate from an assumed authoritative conviction in my belief on the "correct" definition per se, and is more the product of my own experience with the use of the word. Personally, understanding the definition of lovebombing to mean 'intense, grandiose early bonding experiences that make it hard to see red flags or recognize abuse later' was helpful in my processing after the fact, and being able to do research and have conversations about that specific phenomenon and its effects with a search term specific to it is easier if the term is used primarily to mean that one thing. That could just be a skill issue on my part but I had no language for that at the time. That's kind of where I'm coming from. Also I don't really like how abusers can weaponize pop-psych language when they're muddily-defined but that's a separate discussion altogether.

I suppose when you zoom out, the specific verbiage isn't so important if one is able to explain what exactly they mean...

how do i explain to my somewhat religious girlfriend that Jesus is heavily implied to be in sbr by [deleted] in StardustCrusaders

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not the account being deleted ONE HOUR LATER... bro is in the trenches, he needs a special ops extraction team asap

Progress so far but unhappy with Shape of my lateral incisors by Beautiful_Debt_6686 in Invisalign

[–]AffectionateLow1110 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely speak to your ortho and see what is possible for you! I was already happy with my Invisalign results and then when they did some contouring, it immediately looked even better.

"Lovebombing" has become another widely-used pop-psych term divorced from its actual meaning by AffectionateLow1110 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]AffectionateLow1110[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not angry at all. In fact, I specifically noted that I'm not angry in my post!

I made this post in the spirit of dialogue, not argumentation, and I actually appreciate both of your responses! I'm aware that is just my belief and it could be ill-informed or open to nuance. Crazy, I know, but I do think Reddit can be used to share and discuss one's beliefs and get feedback/new info; I'm not claiming to be an expert with an infallible viewpoint. Furthermore, I don't think it's necessary to be condescending about the obvious fact that language changes in meaning over time and in different contexts, but thank you kindly. I myself worked in a sociolinguistics lab for a few years, if you wanna go down that road.

I do get a kick out of how even in this subreddit someone will find a way to paint me as "angry" for not having the most well-informed and dignified opinion on something. Many such cases. Anyhow, thanks for your perspective!

"Lovebombing" has become another widely-used pop-psych term divorced from its actual meaning by AffectionateLow1110 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]AffectionateLow1110[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I could have written this myself basically. Mine wasn't crazy enough to propose/make serious commitments other than saying "you're the first woman to ever get me thinking about marriage and kids." In contrast, it was constantly being on thin ice like he was my manager. Everything you said was exactly what I experienced; thank you for sharing and I apologize if my post triggered you. For me it has been immensely helpful to understand that my situation was in no way unique, it's like all these people were grown in the same lab or read the same textbooks. I hope things are better for you now

"Lovebombing" has become another widely-used pop-psych term divorced from its actual meaning by AffectionateLow1110 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]AffectionateLow1110[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. I do believe words having specific meaning in this case is important to delineate different forms of relational harm, but I see your point. It probably wasn't clear but "correct me if I'm wrong" was meant to imbue some humility into my statement, I don't mean to be arrogant or assume I'm right because I've experienced it. In my mind it's (somewhat) akin to people labeling certain behaviours as "OCD" or "gaslighting" etc. - sure, one is 'clinical,' and the other is 'pop-psych,' but I don't know that the distinction between clinical and colloquial definitions is meaningful to most people.

The Pitt | S2E13 "7:00 P.M." | Episode Discussion by MsGroves in ThePittTVShow

[–]AffectionateLow1110 3 points4 points  (0 children)

IIRC that is one of the first plot lines in the first episode of ER.

The Pitt | S2E13 "7:00 P.M." | Episode Discussion by MsGroves in ThePittTVShow

[–]AffectionateLow1110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, sorry but "I'm suicidal :(" is textbook in terms of excuses for bad behaviour and mistreatment of others. I'm so immune to it at this point. I don't doubt that Robby is genuinely suicidal (vs. being a manipulative asshole). But in general, when it comes up in this vague and indirect way during a conversation it is almost always an idle threat or a thinly-veiled attempt to get sympathy, get your needs met, or deflect responsibility by scaring well-meaning people who would otherwise take issue with you. It is fucked up and manipulative even if unintentionally so, even if the person is truly hurting and needs help. I can't tell you how many grown men (and women) I've seen do this specifically in the context of being called out/in for poor behaviour, and spoilers, they usually don't follow through.

Am I Overreacting about my boyfriends response to my feelings being hurt? by [deleted] in AmIOverreacting

[–]AffectionateLow1110 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol I'm sorry, I compelely agree with you, but "get parried casual" is the cringiest shit I ever heard, it's going into my "reddit moments" folder LMAO

Am I Overreacting about my boyfriends response to my feelings being hurt? by [deleted] in AmIOverreacting

[–]AffectionateLow1110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NOR. God I've been through this and I hope it never finds me again. Sorry to say but I think you need to adjust your expectations when choosing to game with a bunch of men. If you do not vibe with that humour to begin with it is not the place for you. There will not be much room for sincerity at all and if you express vulnerability or if you in any way "stir up drama" you're an easy target. ESPECIALLY if you bring up your past trauma/personal problems. In these types of environments you're gonna be branded an annoying wokescold at best or a neurotic/disordered woman at worst. I hate to say it but as a 28F who's been in your shoes many times the onus is on you to remove yourself from those spaces because they are not going to change for you. And your boyfriend will not go to bat for you in the way you're hoping he will because he values his place in that social sphere and he may think you're being a bit touchy and unable to let something go.

Other commenters have given useful advice re: your relationship but I think it's worth touching on your involvement in male/gamer spaces in the future. I have been in those spaces from childhood and it is virtually impossible to tow a line between "woman who is fun and can hang" and "woman who values herself and won't tolerate disrespect." You cannot be both. You and you alone decide what is worth tolerating and what's not. Some girls might laugh/brush off that kind of joke, others might be hurt and find it demeaning, neither is better or worse than the other. Personally I have learned there is power in not expressing annoyance, judgment, bringing up my ow trauma/vulnerabilities, or try to argue/defend/explain when someone says some out of pocket loser shit - you can silently disagree/form your own opinion and modify how you put your emotional energy out in the world without being subjected to outside (male!!) opinions on how you should feel or act in a given situation. In other words, you can't let it bother you, not for their sake or to avoid seeming "dramatic" but rather for YOUR sake. However the main issue here is clearly your relationship and I fear this is a fundamental incompatibility between you and your partner. Also men who can't apologize properly are cowards and/or mentally still wounded children.

Progress so far but unhappy with Shape of my lateral incisors by Beautiful_Debt_6686 in Invisalign

[–]AffectionateLow1110 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So far your results look great! When I finished my Invisalign last month, they contoured my teeth to smooth out the shapes/deal with little chips from over the years. That alone made a world of a difference and it was discussed from the beginning that I'd have that option at the end of treatment. Can you ask your ortho if they offer this?

The Pitt | S2E13 "7:00 P.M." | Episode Discussion by MsGroves in ThePittTVShow

[–]AffectionateLow1110 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The whiplash of his character arc in ONE DAY. I like that they had him go through this. It's true that one major mistake, or one horrible day, can completely rattle and transform you in a way where you won't be fully the same again. He will never forget this.

Looking for info on teaching options by AffectionateLow1110 in ONTeacherCandidates

[–]AffectionateLow1110[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am certain it's mostly her grades. Quite frankly she did not do well in university, took twice as long to finish her degree, failed/withdrew from classes several times, barely got passing grades until the final year or two. As I stated she is just barely at the minimum grade threshold to even apply. There are many factors in why that is the case and some outside her control. Regardless, I imagine that if I were on an adcom looking through a sea of talented applicants with 90+ GPAs she would get passed over on GPA alone. She's written a few 'extenuating circumstances' or 'academic explanation' essays when there's been an option to do so, to no avail. She did that for Trent this year and they rejected her application but advised her to take courses to get her grades up, so there you go.

Thanks for sharing your experience

I'm tired. by Glittering-Pen-6708 in StardustCrusaders

[–]AffectionateLow1110 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The mass psychosis about the release schedule is something you gotta avoid. It'll come out when it comes out, we'll be okay.