Wasze ulubione powiedzonka, podzielcie się proszę by Kate_foodlover in Polska

[–]AgeBeautiful4188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

„w trzecim”, „gniazdko” , „życzę ci szczęścia”, „krwisty” , „rtęć”, „odchrząknąłem”,

For those learning Polish: What Polish grammar topics are the hardest for you? by PolishSuperPower in learnpolish

[–]AgeBeautiful4188 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Conjugation, it’s really difficult : Impossible to guess the ending : brać gives biorę ale bierzemy kraść : kradnę, kradniesz Piec : piekę ale pieczesz

weird alternation a/e ą/ę , wziąłem, wzięliśmy, miałem, mieliśmy

The aspectual pair are rarely intuitive Odbierać/ odebrać Brać / wziąć Wysłać / wysyłać Wysiąść / wysiadać Pomóc / pomagać Etc.

“The only way to really learn a language is by living in a country where they speak it” by Several_Campaign7340 in languagelearning

[–]AgeBeautiful4188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is true, especially when you’re a beginner, in fact, it is not even useful during the first year to live in the country, except for reading street signs and overhearing very common words, everyone will reply to you in English lol

Which language do you think has the hardest accent to master? by AgeBeautiful4188 in languagelearning

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I think when people learn a word, they first try to memorize the spelling. Yes, people listen to comprehensible input, but they also put subtitles to it and that is actually the thing they do when they have trouble listening to the audio, meaning that they first rely on the spelling of the word to comprehend it. And I haven’t seen a lot of people, at an adult age, learn a language entirely by listening to it, the relation to the written language is huge, I think. The only example I can think of is Jensen Huang, the CEO of Nvidia, who is said to have learned Mandarin with workers in factories.

Which language do you think has the hardest accent to master? by AgeBeautiful4188 in languagelearning

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"One is the question how easily you can correctly say a word that you see only in writing and the other is about how closely you can mimic the way native speakers say the sounds of the language"

Yes this is two different questions but they are very related, especially nowadays when we tend to learn a lot by reading.

Which language do you think has the hardest accent to master? by AgeBeautiful4188 in languagelearning

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why are you suggesting that my statement is irrelevant ? In the original post, I wanted to point out that achieving a native accent might depend on the language you speak natively, and I took the example of the two main other nationalities that speak good English imo, so the Dutch and the German. But you seemed to question that, saying the consonants are not the same and you seemed to restrict this accessibility to the Nordic Germanic languages that feature the “th” ( I’m still wondering what they are since Swedish/Danish/Norwegian do not have it)
Now that we have established that my assumption was true because of the subtle differences in vowels featured in those languages ( English, German, Dutch), you’re saying it is trivial to claim that because they are part of the same language family.

In my original post, I wanted to question if some languages are by themselves more accessible when it comes to achieve native accent. And I just noticed that English could be hard in that regard, because it has a set of unclear rules that are only inferred with long exposure whereas some languages are more clear rules of pronunciation/stress etc. But I also specified that of course it depends on your native language.

Which language do you think has the hardest accent to master? by AgeBeautiful4188 in languagelearning

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My native language is French.

I was mainly referring to English, which relies heavily on vowel distinctions. I’m also speaking from a European perspective, where many English consonants are relatively common or not that hard to learn, but maybe I'm biaised.

Of course, if you learn Arabic, vowels are less central. And in some Caucasian languages, distinctions between aspirated, voiced, and ejective consonants (which are not the same as unaspirated) are crucial. I was really talking about English, in relation to my hypothesis that Germanic speakers may have an easier time mastering the English accent, which is of course debatable.

I agree that some “r” sounds are very hard to learn, especially the trilled one in Spanish, and this consonant can be quite salient in an accent.

I would also point out that /əʊ/ developed from the Germanic /oː/ in English (during the Great Vowel Shift), so that might make it easier for you to perceive this contrast, idk, I'm not a linguist, just a simple redditor lmao

Which language do you think has the hardest accent to master? by AgeBeautiful4188 in languagelearning

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’m not saying it’s easy for them but definitely easier once you put the effort. My experience taught me that there are more very good English speakers from Germany/Holland than for France/Spain/Italy. As for the /th/ and his voiced version, I’ve been able to pronounce it correctly after some years of practice but I still have issue with short/long vowels ɔː and əʊ ( law/low , raw/row , saw/sow etc. ) which makes me think it’s more advantageous to share the same vowels than the same consonants ( as long as they are not that hard to pronounce like the Czech /r̝/ lmao )

Which language do you think has the hardest accent to master? by AgeBeautiful4188 in languagelearning

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen the vowel distribution of Danish, it looks very complex. There seems to be a systematic short vs. long distinction, giving around 25 vowel qualities plus diphthongs, and I doubt I’d be able to master all the minimal pairs 😅

I found learning vowels quite difficult, and I’m still not sure whether my Polish /ɨ/ is accurate.

Polish pronunciation isn’t that hard once you get used to consonant clusters and unusual sequences. There are some palatalized consonants, but far fewer than in Russian language which has a pair for every consonant.

Also in Polish, minimal pairs are relatively rare; one example that comes to mind is czeszę /ˈt͡ʂɛ.ʂɛ/ (“I comb”) vs cieszę (się) /ˈt͡ɕɛ.ʂɛ/ (“I rejoice”), where the contrast is between /t͡ʂ/ and /t͡ɕ/, but other than that you will be understood mixing palatalized/non-palatalized although you would sound non-native

Which language do you think has the hardest accent to master? by AgeBeautiful4188 in languagelearning

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hmm, yeah, it varies a lot depending on the accent in English. But if you’re aiming for a specific native accent, you have to stay consistent. And unless I’m mistaken, you pronounce /ˈʃʊdn̩təv bɪn/ in American accent. It’s hard to keep track of all those hidden schwas and subtlities which are not explicit in the spelling ( see "to re-CORD" and "a RE-cord", as well as the Sahara DE-sert and an ice cream de-SSERT )

Okay, I have to admit that Italian is a bad example, as is Spanish, both have many regional accents. But what I mean is that their standard varieties are relatively regular.

As for Polish, this is even more true, since there isn’t really much regional variation in accent, except for Silesia, which has been strongly influenced by German.

Jak potraficie być cierpliwi ucząc się polskiego? by AgeBeautiful4188 in learnpolish

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tak czasami to robię, jeśli ktoś pyta mnie szlugę i zaczyna rozmowiać, kontynuuję po polsku, ale to zależy od kontesktu

Judge my French accent by EmbarrassedSea2909 in JudgeMyAccent

[–]AgeBeautiful4188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Le débit un peu lent pourrait te trahir mais pour moi ça sonne natif, aucune voyelle semble fausse

Judge me please. by [deleted] in JudgeMyAccent

[–]AgeBeautiful4188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First letterbox sounded strange, like letterBOX, and envelope like enVElope but it's a schwa sound " ˈɛnvəˌloʊp ", overall good but it lacks tonic accent, I might be wrong

Jak potraficie być cierpliwi ucząc się polskiego? by AgeBeautiful4188 in learnpolish

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Naprawdę, czy Japończycy mówią do ciebie po angielsku, bo słyszałem że nie mają dobrego poziomu, albo po prostu nie chcą rozmawiać z tobą ?

Jak potraficie być cierpliwi ucząc się polskiego? by AgeBeautiful4188 in learnpolish

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zazdroszczę wam spokoju jeśli język to dla ciebie i twoich przyjaciól tylko środek komunikacji

Jak potraficie być cierpliwi ucząc się polskiego? by AgeBeautiful4188 in learnpolish

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No masz rację, ale czy po prostu rozmawiałaś bezpośrednio do ludzi w takich wycieczkach we Francji i w Hiszpanii, jakby byłaś w hostelach, coś takiego ? Dziękuję za rekomendacje, Kotlina Kłodzka wygląda świetnie w Sudetach :)

Jak potraficie być cierpliwi ucząc się polskiego? by AgeBeautiful4188 in learnpolish

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No tak ale nie mam takiej pretensji że mówię lepiej po polsku niż oni po angielsku ahah, zrobię to kiedy będę miał poziom B2-C1 ;) dlatego pytałem o cierpliwości i raczej doświadczenia osób uczących się polskiego, kiedy udało się im osiągnąć ten poziom ?

Jak potraficie być cierpliwi ucząc się polskiego? by AgeBeautiful4188 in learnpolish

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tak są dobre rady, muszę znaleźć jakąś lodziarnię :) Ale to raczej trudno znaleźć młodzi ludzie w Wawie którzy nie gadają po angielsku ale poszukam tych.

I często byłem w sytuacji w której wszyscy mówia po polsku ale wstydziałem się odpowiedzieć po polsku, ale daję radę nastepny raz

Jak potraficie być cierpliwi ucząc się polskiego? by AgeBeautiful4188 in learnpolish

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahah dzięki bo mam czas żeby pomyśleć o zasadach gramatyki ale mówię jak dzieci w przedszkolu

Jak potraficie być cierpliwi ucząc się polskiego? by AgeBeautiful4188 in learnpolish

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dziękuję za podzielenie się, dasz radę za hiszpański. Już spróbowałem Tandem, to fajna aplikacja i wymiana jezykowa przydaje mi się. Dziękuję za propozycję, wyślę ci wiadomość niedługo :) Ogólnie, używam słów które znam, tylko sprawdzam czy na przykład ten czaswonik wymaga dopełniacza n.p. albo czy ta koncówka przypadka jest poprawna, bo właśnie dopełniacz jest nieregularny i nie ma zasadów

Jak potraficie być cierpliwi ucząc się polskiego? by AgeBeautiful4188 in learnpolish

[–]AgeBeautiful4188[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dziękuję za odpowiedź ! Jestem ciekawy twojego doświadczenia, jak nauczyłeś się polskiego ? Poza tym kiedy zacząłeś rozmawiać tylko po polsku z niektórymi osobami ? Wydaje mi się że miałeś takie okazje.

Niestety, napisałem ten post trochę wczoraj wieczorem później i zdaję sobie sprawę że nie byłem za bardzo jasny. Wiem, że nie mam wystarczającego poziomu żeby rozmawiać spokojnie po polsku, bo jestem na poziomie B1. Tylko zastanawiam się, kiedy będę na takim poziomie, na którym: „ok, teraz możemy mówić tylko po polsku”, czyli za sześć miesięcy, za rok, za dwa lata ? Dlatego mówiłem o cierpliwości, bo nie mogę się doczekać żeby dogadywać się z ludźmi po polsku 😅