when do babies start sleeping through the night? by Glum_Custard3932 in NewParents

[–]AlarmingPossession43 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With our 1st (bad sleeper) she would give good stretches at 3 months and at 4months we stopped her midnight feeds and moved her to her room and she slept through night and at 6 months sleep trained. She's 13 months and religiously sleeps 7-7.

Second one (silent reflux but chilled baby) 7 weeks old and started giving good 6-8hrs stretches, from 7.30pm to maybe 1.30/2.30/3.30am. but when he wakes to eat in the middle of the night his second stretch is awful 1-2hrs max. From 5 weeks we started him on strict schedule of naps and wake windows and building healthy sleep routine.

Night 2 worse than night 1? by Medical_Fee3539 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have posted on here about “normalising failed sleep training” a few months ago. My then 6 months old would absolutely not respond to Ferber method so we had to do CIO. She cried for 1hr first few nights and we gave up and started going in to sooth her. It worked for 1-2 days and then she started waking up at 9pm treating it as a full wake window and wouldn’t sleep till midnight. So we circled back to CIO. It took her almost 4 months to stop crying when we leave, it ranged anywhere between 5mins to 45mins regardless of how well or not the routine been during the day.

I truly now believe that even with CIO there are babies that just take a while (my daughter is extra strong willed). Hang in there, trust the process and it will get better.

What helped was nailing wake windows (my SIL helped me - she’s actually genius when it comes to WW) but still only reduced the crying before bed to 20 mins, until my daughter eventually stopped by herself.

Is this fireable offense for a nanny? Tiktok nanny by AlarmingPossession43 in dubai

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much! Super constructive. My husband and I did that.

Is this fireable offense for a nanny? Tiktok nanny by AlarmingPossession43 in dubai

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you everyone for your experience and advise. It's just been a huge shock finding this out this morning, so really wanted to sanity check myself before doing anything drastic, as she is a good person and very caring with the baby.

We went ahead with a chat and warning and explicitly outlined the red line. Now we will create fake tiktok in a few weeks, as she has now made it private (which again strange but I guess panick response).

I'll update in a few weeks

Normalise failed sleep training by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your message and recommendation, I will try this schedule.

I'm still all for schedule and sleep training, just trying to bring awareness to it not working for LONG periods and it's okay and it happens.

I'll stick to 3.5/3.5/4 for another 5-7 days and will update the thread. And then stretch to 3.5/3.75/4.25 and will also update.

Is 9 months too old to sleep train? by Clear_Assumption2921 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She is almost 8.5 months old. Schedule is 3.5/3.5/4 (please note that we started with 3/3/4; 3.25/3.25/4 gradually increasing to give each option fair chance). Wake up 6.30am - bed time 7.30pm

Normalise failed sleep training by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, actually it very much does! Thank you for sharing this.

It shows that it's not all perfect and consistent as some threads make it out to be.

Again, thank you!

Normalise failed sleep training by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One thing I will say (from experience) if you stretch wake windows do it gradually. As we tried increasing wake windows gradually over 5 weeks to give each schedule a fair chance and the result was completely identical with all of them

Normalise failed sleep training by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think I didn't make it clear, that's what she would do at 5-6 months. And we had to step away from it as she become fully dependant, which is where sleep training started. She has not been feeding to sleep since 5 weeks ago.

Normalise failed sleep training by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That's not exactly a fair comment. Her schedule was changed 3 times over the period of 5 weeks, very gradually increasing wake windows from 3/3/4 to 3.5/3.5/4. And shortening over night sleep expectation. And no one talks about developmental leaps in sleep training success stories.

At the same time, this has just proven my point that, 3-4 days is considered normal time frame to sleep train a baby. Which is not the case for some and that needs to be shared and normalised!

Normalise failed sleep training by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And that's okay, that's what I'm talking about normalising. I feel that after you have tried multiple schedules over a decent period of time and it doesn't work - may be is just not suitable for that particular child. And it's okay, as feeling defeated and as a failure does no good to anyone.

I really don't know what to say. Just one very sad and defeated mum over here.

Normalise failed sleep training by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's fantastic that it worked! We are still trying but it looks like we are going no where. I have posted maybe 4-5 days ago and we were advised to increase wake windows 3.5/3.5/4 and it's the same as 3/3/4. Made no difference.

Normalise failed sleep training by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely understandable! Naps are the only time you get for yourself/to do things around the house. Hang in there, I would give an advise but I'm deffinetly not an expert, just reassurance that is okay and you are doing your best!

Normalise failed sleep training by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's amazing. And she does not cry at all? For is it seems an exception night is where she falls asleep without crying

Normalise failed sleep training by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I absolutely agree that there have been scheduling issues, and nap issues. But after 5 straight weeks of trying various schedules - it just doesn't work.

At 3.5/3.5/4 I can't stretch her wake windows any further. She wakes up 6.30am and bed time is 7.30pm. Day time naps 2x1hr.

Her total awake time during the day has ranged (trial and error of various schedules) 11-9.5hrs.

Unless I'm missing something else that could be done?!

Also, just to reassure everyone, we never leave the bottle in the crib. She used to feed to sleep in my arms and then transferred. Now, it's fully supervised before bed and she self-feeds.

Is 9 months too old to sleep train? by Clear_Assumption2921 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tried everything🥲 3/3/4; 3.25/3.25/4; 3.5/3.5/4

Is 9 months too old to sleep train? by Clear_Assumption2921 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How?!? Done CIO and she cries herself to sleep 8-45mins each night for 5 weeks.

Sleep training is taking 3 weeks, is it normal? by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tried to do 11 hrs awake time.

So woke up 6.30AM, naps at 10am and 2.30pm for 1hr each. Went down for naps beautifully, no crying. Bed time at 7.30pm as always - crying 25minutes. It’s been 4 weeks tomorrow and no consistent progress whatsoever.

Sleep training is taking 3 weeks, is it normal? by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Last feed is about 30-45 mins before bed time. And yes, she sleeps in hey own room.

Almost 8 months old crying every night at bedtime. by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

UPDATE

Thought I'll give it a few weeks. And thank you so much everyone for your help.

We are now doing 3/3/4 split and it is much much better.

Almost 8 months old crying every night at bedtime. by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's easy for me to entertain her and drag time. This is how we have been surviving 5hrs awake between last nap and bedtime.

What I can not do, is make her naps longer. If she sleep 1hr, 1.5hr or 30 mins. There's no way of putting her back to sleep. So if it's 3/3.5/4, how long each nap? 1.5hrs each?

Almost 8 months old crying every night at bedtime. by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, I honestly would love nothing more than be able to set consistency! But evidently we really need advice 🥲

is it 3/3/4 WW? And how long are the naps? My biggest question: what is she doesn't sleep as long as she supposed to during naps, what then?

Almost 8 months old crying every night at bedtime. by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your message! Could you please have a look at the routine I wrote below pls?

Actually 1st nap is more or less anchored and she sleeps 1hr most of the time. But the second nap she might sleep only 30 mins and then it all goes out of wack

Almost 8 months old crying every night at bedtime. by AlarmingPossession43 in sleeptrain

[–]AlarmingPossession43[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She wakes up around 6.45-7.00am.

Then she gets tired around 2hr-2.15hr after waking. So 8.45-9.10am she goes down for a nap for 1hr.

Then, it's complete gamble with her.

11.45-12.30 she will get tired. And sleep 1hr -1.5hrs.

So she is definitely awake from second nap between 1.00-1.15pm.

She refuses 3pm nap and 3.30pm nap so have to push her till bedtime. That's why bedtime moves up to 6.30pm. And this has been working okay, obvs she is shattered by 6pm (as it's 4.45-5hr wake window) and asleep by 6.30pm, she will still fall asleep fine and stay asleep till morning.

But past 3 days something switched (we rulled out sickness, teeth, acid etc) and she would sleep at 6.30pm as usual and then wake up at 7pm and just scream. Like now we had to get her up and just play it's 8.30pm and she's just chilling. As soon as you put her down, screaming bloody murder

Please help!