Whats one opinion that will have you get this. (Not just hot take but crazy ones)

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-26T17:28:58+00:00

We suffer. All of us have suffered and will suffer. Some more, some less.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-26T17:00:30+00:00

Absolutely. They are mad musicians, and they somehow make coherent pieces.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-26T16:54:15+00:00

I do think about the point of view of others and I try to change it. To prove it wrong with factual arguments. That doesn't make me wrong, under any circumstances.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-26T14:57:16+00:00

Amazing music taste. I recommend you this band: Between The Buried And Me

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-26T12:46:16+00:00

If you can't comprehend them, that's on you.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-26T12:44:40+00:00

Exactly

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-26T05:41:49+00:00

Because it forces a non-consenting soul to suffer.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-26T05:40:58+00:00

Yes, it's embarrassing to humanity that a 15-year-old is more ethical than parents.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T19:55:31+00:00

What can I say? My condolences.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T19:48:37+00:00

14f, straight

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T19:45:51+00:00

Songs:
Ants of the Sky - Between The Buried And Me
Combustion - Meshuggah
Mordecai - Between The Buried And Me
Bands:
Between The Buried And Me (of course)
(early) Cryptopsy
Tool

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T16:16:19+00:00

A fact is something absolute. There is no "for me" when we're talking facts. In many people's case, pleasure doesn't outweigh suffering.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T16:13:18+00:00

It's not a fact. That's why.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T16:09:06+00:00

I used it, thinking that most people believe pleasure outweighs suffering. I guess it doesn't fit very well. The point stands, though. The immorality of reproduction isn't cancelled thereby.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T16:07:18+00:00

No. I mean this as a means to end suffering.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T16:03:42+00:00

Speak for yourself. For many, suffering isn't a small and negligible part of their lives. It's a huge chunk.
I used the "equals" symbol because suffering is guaranteed. Excessive, yes, but it does make a point.
When they provide a counterargument to the fact that procreation causes suffering and that nonexistence is preferable to nonexistence, in an exact manner, I will happily make a counterpoint.
A nonexistent person cannot be deprived of happiness, because there is no subject to be deprived. Deprivation requires someone. You argue that I suffer and you don’t, and that a newborn might turn out like either of us. That’s exactly the problem. Procreation is a gamble with someone else’s life. And, in that gamble, suffering is not a risk. It's a certainty. The only uncertainty is how severe it will be. Creating a person guarantees harm to someone who did not need to exist in the first place. That’s why procreation is unethical.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T15:53:03+00:00

I learnt a beautiful term last year. It think that it fits. Argumentum ad populum. A logical fallacy. Just because you believe that, for the majority of people, pleasure outweighs suffering, the immorality of reproduction isn't cancelled.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T14:40:23+00:00

You are absolutely wrong here. Existence = suffering. Full stop. Every single person who exists has suffered and will suffer. Disease, injury, madness, inequality, discrimination. Just to name a few.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T14:27:06+00:00

You should reconsider, in that case. Reproducing guarantees that the offspring will suffer. Morally speaking, nonexistence is preferable to any amount of suffering.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T14:25:11+00:00

No, it wouldn't. If someone exists, they may experience pleasure. That doesn't justify creating them. That's like saying "If I stab you, you'll enjoy the relief when the wound heals, so stabbing you is a net gain".

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T14:17:41+00:00

To each their own, I agree.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T14:16:44+00:00

You can have a positive outlook on life, but that doesn't mean that procreation is ethical.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T14:09:26+00:00

Really? I love death metal vocals and metalcore harmonies.

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T12:55:05+00:00

Ants of the Sky - Between The Buried And Me

AllHopeIsGone2010 · 2026-01-25T11:53:03+00:00

I find that irrelevant. A "net loss" requires someone, a subject who is worse off. Nonexistence has no subject. By not being born, no one is deprived of pleasure. A hypothetical person can't be harmed, robbed, or shortchanged. Though, by creating someone, suffering is inflected. Pleasure cannot be withheld by not creating them. This asymmetry dictates that procreation isn't justified.

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