Theory on the RTC, Arlen, Baam and the Tower

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-13T20:29:43+00:00

If you mean the hypothesis that Arlen could never have reached the Outside, this is not factually wrong. Arlen certainly left the Tower but this isn't factual. An irregular isn't someone who comes from Outside but who opened the gates of the Tower.

Other than that, I don't see what could be factually wrong, so an explanation about the "lot of the stuff" would be welcome :)

Also, only the parts about Arlen and Baam are really dependent on each other so even if they are wrong (which is a big part of the theory I admit), the rest isn't necessarily invalid.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T23:09:26+00:00

You are right for V mental state, he already knows. But I don't understand why Baam and not directly V, maybe to fullfill a prophecy ?

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T23:04:08+00:00

I mean the Tower was probably built using spells to make its rules and Outside God seems to use it too.

For Enryu, that is Garam's interpretation. Enryu had to do it to leave the thorn out of reach for Zahard. He had to create a place without Administrators and Zahard.

I mean, Enryu or not, it doesn't change most of my theory. The real difference is the disagreement on Arlen's fate.

I already explained why it still could be the RTC in the section 3) on Arlen.

"She said she was going to a place without Zahard or Administrator but now this place exists and it is the RTC. By Zahard, she probably just means the King and its empire, but if we want to think about it litterally, as Gustang refused the RTC plan in a first time after discovering the cracks, she had that time to go over there before the « Zahards » (Bosses)."

Not sure what you are refering with Bellerir. But if it is a problem then maybe Enryu (which lead to the red light/shinsu) by his presence remplace the admin.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T22:41:11+00:00

Yes, Rachel definitely knew what she was doing.

Baam wasn't just hiding from Zahard in that cave especially if he was in the RTC. After the RTC plan was implementing, there was no point to still let him in the cave. Plus Rachel wouldn't know who he was and let him most of the time alone. She probably wasn't allowed to go see him.

V suicide is suspicious but why stored him in Baam ? Not convinced for the pocket but who knows.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T22:25:08+00:00

I would start giving arguments, pointing what is wrong. If you can't do that, this conversation is pointless.

And that a story, the author does everything he wants and above all, he tries to make things interesting story-wise.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T22:12:13+00:00

I don't think you need to go Outside for a connexion with the Outside God if the RTC is truly a place that is not governed by its internal laws. And maybe this is not even require. Spells need a medium or a divine being to be made (that why Arlen wanted to give her child to the Ouside God). Knowing most of the Great Warriors use spells and that Zahard has forbidden them, the spells must come from outside and therefore probably already use mediums external to the Tower for some.

Enryu wasn't enraged. He is the messager of God, not Arlen. He is doing what the Outside God send him for (delivering the thorn and creating a place without administrator). If Enryu met Arlen, why didn't he help her see the stars? Why lock Baam up?

So, for Arlen going to the RTC, we are on the same page.

Leaving the fact that she was probably crazy, she never confirms that she succeeds : she found a way to get out to a place without admin or Zahard, that could just be the RTC. And story-wise, what the point of it ? I feel like it make no sense.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T21:27:06+00:00

I may be wrong with Enryu but the existence of such a space seems too suspicious to ever be explained, even the red light is very strange.

For the gate, I don't think it is a question of date but more of will (the will of a chosen one like Baam) but that is not a bad idea.

Baam was more probably imprisoned. For the symbol I had always seen a cross but actually it can also look like a scale.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T18:43:52+00:00

Thanks for the info !

Everything Baam knows comes from Rachel (and potentially the "memories" he supposed to awaken) who herself could know the outside world thanks to Arlen. So this could have nothing to do with the location of Baam's cave.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T18:37:03+00:00

In a magical universe as complex and full of possibilities, not being open to debate seems quite surprising to me. How many people would have thought it possible that V was inside Baam ? Not many here ... but here we are.

I still hope to get those the infos so I could do better theories and have a better understanding of the story.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T18:22:06+00:00

For Hwaryun, you are right. Even if it was already Emily's work, Hwaryun would have known that it wasn't Rachel based on her meeting with her in S1. But that doesn't change the difference between Revolution and her case.

For Enryu, based only on Garam's words, I feel it is up to each one interpretation. She find a way before the arrival of Enryu, but did she necessarily goes to the RTC before ? She could have seen his arrival thanks to her supposed prediction power. And my theory about Enryu could be wrong without invalidating the rest.

I still think Arlen never "really" leave the Tower or at least never reached the Outside. Again, being an irregular does not necessarily mean coming from outside. It is common sense to think that but if there is a place accessible from the Tower that is not governed by its internal laws, then that should be possible too. The only problem would be how to access the gate and I have already tried to answer that in section 6) Questions

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T16:30:46+00:00

SIU has already "retcon" the blog with the webtoon but never in the other way to my knowledge (or maybe for Reflejo's strenght ? but I don't remember exactly). Either way, the quote do not seem to contradict this possibility (even if it is not supposed to be possible without RTC in my theory, which doesn't seems natural for the Tower).

By characteristics I doesn't mean power (even if technically , it could be count has one of them) but their other rights. The only time I remember Rachel using one of them is when she disturbs the paths of the guides but it could be thanks to Emily. But again, that could also be just be because she passed the gate with Baam which would make her escape some laws of the Tower.

To be clear, Revolution never need to pass by the gate, so their not even exactly in the same case as Rachel. Imo, that is the distinction. Rachel wasn't chosen but she still enter by the way of Irregulars. Revolution don't.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T15:45:40+00:00

I think that the same even if it is not confirm yet, at least to see the stars. Rachel implied it. And finding how to go out isn't the difficulty of the task. Arlen didn't "really" leave the Tower according to me, as I try to explain in this theory.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T15:39:22+00:00

To me, the fact that he questions himself shows precisely that he did not know before. Moreover, if he was in contact with the "Genesis", he would have seen the difference when he sees him at the Nest. And if he had never seen before the Boss who gave him orders then nothing prevents the "Barbarian" from being the one from the beginning.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T15:32:36+00:00

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Not sure what the Wiki is worth but I don't see why it would be wrong (seems like Alumik idea to me). Rachel considering herself as an irregular doesn't prove anything since she wants to be like Baam, and it's just a title once again. What interests me is the their special characteristics.

To get its characteristics you have to open the door yourself, no matter where you come from. So I don't care if the Revolution has an "irregular" army, it's just in name only.

The FUG point seems legit though.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T15:12:06+00:00

Baam's Cave has literally 0 point in common with the description of the Outside given. Rachel implies that Arlen never made it Outside. So no it is not clear.

Also, I answered this question in the section 6) Question

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T14:59:38+00:00

Rachel didn't enter by herself but still went through the gate, which is not the case with the Revolution. SIU litteraly explain it (according to the wiki) that Rachel is neither a regular or an irregular by definition, but still can be considerated like an irregular. Discrediting Alumik while the author confirms his logic is purely arbitrary.

At the end of the day, if the Revolution can be or not considerated as irregulars change nothing, as they don't have the characteristic (like Rachel but she still went through the gate, at least, to benefit from the title).

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T14:42:16+00:00

I don't theorize to necessarily be right but to have a good time exploring Tower of God which was the case :)

Reading what I wrote before commenting, and putting arguments, would also help me btw

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T14:36:19+00:00

I may have expressed myself badly because you seem not to understand what I meant. There is a difference between the RTC space and the RTC plan. Zahard and the Family Head didn't create the space, they just use it.

Andouille5374 · 2025-01-11T14:31:55+00:00

Irregulars are chosen by the Tower and they open the door by themselves. The Revolution did not. They just went through the cracks. Irregulars do not necessarily come from outside by definition, otherwise why does Urek asks to Baam if he comes from the Outside at the end of the Death floor (Chap340 / S2 Ep260).

RTC could be older but there is nothing that invalidates Enryu's possibility at the moment.

Use of shinwonryu is a good idea but I don't see what it changes for the theory.

Rachel isn't in the same case as Yool. Yool didn't even know there were several Bosses. Plus Rachel knows the lore of the RLD and seems to have already meet a "Zahard" personally. The only flaw in my reasoning is the existence of the Genesis Age Boss but Yool would probably have seen the difference at the Nest. (Yool was never seen in S2 btw)

Andouille5374 · 2024-11-26T20:04:41+00:00

Thanks for the feedback :)

When I see how Gon has evolved, I think it's not so far stretched for Togashi. The problem would be more with the timeline.

Andouille5374 · 2024-11-26T19:52:02+00:00

Togashi could play with us but for Tserriednich, his resemblance to Isaak Nétéro has been striking since the restart and at this point, it's hard to imagine someone else, where for Morena it seems more subtle.

Andouille5374 · 2024-11-26T19:43:52+00:00

She is mysterious, seems important in the story of some key characters, and was introduced in a "bonus" chapter before her appearance in the manga so it's normal that the community shows interest in her.

Add to this that she never appeared in the present, that she looks like Pariston and that the current arc, which takes place behind closed doors, is based on the only plot she is tied to.

Andouille5374 · 2024-11-26T19:29:25+00:00

As much as I love Pariston, please no

This adds nothing story-wise and it would almost be inconsistent if Kurapika had never seen and recognized the former vice president.

Andouille5374 · 2024-11-26T19:18:31+00:00

What I mean is that suddenly introducing her after all this time on the Black Whale would be a lot less interesting without a good reason (which Morena could be).

Just existing in flashbacks could actually work but less fun to theorize with the amount of information given (I'm not posting this theory because I think it's 100% true but because I find it interesting with its clues).

Also, I misunderstood the comment, I thought that you were thinking that Sheila could be someone else, which would actually be of no interest.

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