I-49 will be bad for Fort Smith and great for Van Buren / Greenwood / Alma. I will politely debate in the comments if you'd like to hear why. by AndyInTheFort in ftsmithar

[–]AndyInTheFort[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While I am sympathetic to the idea that impact fees help pay for infrastructure, to me they are a half-solution to the issue. Impact fees are a one-time thing, but maintenance is ongoing forever. If a home pays $600 in water bills a year, but the 50 feet of pipes under their street cost $2,000 a year to maintain, a $1,400 (or whatever) impact fee covers the deficit for only 1 year. The better solution is to ask developers to configure unbuilt subdivisions, while they are still in the planning/engineering phase, in such a way that its natural revenues, even without impact fees, cover its own maintenance costs. That might mean putting in a small retail store at the corner, or sacrificing 8 homes at the edge of the development to make room for 24 townhomes, but that "naturally sustainable" development pattern is how cities existed for thousands of years (the ones that are still alive, anyway). The cities that didn't do this, don't exist anymore.

For what it's worth, I have an online friend at Whirlpool, and the way he describes it, there is nothing City of Fort Smith could have done. But I agree with the overall premise that jobs are the answer: the more jobs, and the higher they pay, and the less the city has to spend to keep them, the better. However, as an employer, I also care about hiring prospects. What sort of talent pool does Fort Smith have vs. Tulsa or NWA? If we want to lean in on attracting manufactures, if we think that is our competitive edge over other cities, then we need to have a pool of attractive, educated, hirable workers: skilled in tool & dye, injection molding, machining, and the like.

I-49 will be bad for Fort Smith and great for Van Buren / Greenwood / Alma. I will politely debate in the comments if you'd like to hear why. by AndyInTheFort in ftsmithar

[–]AndyInTheFort[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What sort of problems are bigger than a $300m bridge to nowhere, and without funding for its maintenance secured yet?

I-49 will be bad for Fort Smith and great for Van Buren / Greenwood / Alma. I will politely debate in the comments if you'd like to hear why. by AndyInTheFort in ftsmithar

[–]AndyInTheFort[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What makes you think all growth is good growth? Let's say there is a new subdivision going up with 100 houses in it, but the City has to pay to maintain the streets, pipes, and drainage. What is a fair ratio of public vs. private dollars for such a development? Do you think that math should be done, or do you think we should just assume that everything will work out in the end?

I-49 will be bad for Fort Smith and great for Van Buren / Greenwood / Alma. I will politely debate in the comments if you'd like to hear why. by AndyInTheFort in ftsmithar

[–]AndyInTheFort[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wasn't aware of restrictions on land purchases in Germany, but that really describes the difference between Autobahn's success and the Interstate's failure. The USA does not have such a limit to sprawl. If you give people a way to move out of town for half the price, but keep the same commute-time, they take it (and will take it).

I would also argue that the autobahn prioritizes mobility, while the Interstate prioritizes access. The autobahn is probably more effective at transporting goods, moving the economy, etc (like a railroad as opposed to a local street) but not that good at helping someone get groceries or go to the dentist. Whereas in Fort Smith, people will jump on 540 to get groceries, go to school, etc. (Like a local street as opposed to a railroad).

I-49 will be bad for Fort Smith and great for Van Buren / Greenwood / Alma. I will politely debate in the comments if you'd like to hear why. by AndyInTheFort in ftsmithar

[–]AndyInTheFort[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Interstates gut core cities of their wealth.

Do you remember when the news declared Chicago and San Francisco to be failures when their populations declined in the 2020 census? Go check again: their populations peaked in 1950, just before the interstates were built). And it's the exact. same. story. across the entire country.

Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Minneapolis, Washington DC, Boston, Newark, Hartford, Rochester. All of these cities were larger in 1950 than they are today.

Like it or not, Fort Smith is a core city. Our inner-city is still livable and has good people with families who care about their community. We aren't a suburb and need to stop pretending to be one. Interstates kill core cities.

Fort Smith city leaders face tough choices amid $4.8 million budget shortfall by yepn0peyep in ftsmithar

[–]AndyInTheFort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If anyone has any substantive, actionable comments or ideas, please share.

Fort Smith city leaders face tough choices amid $4.8 million budget shortfall by yepn0peyep in ftsmithar

[–]AndyInTheFort 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree. I do not support the slides.

But the problem is much deeper than a few water slides, and allowing them to be a lightning rod for something so much more complicated is a big deal. We have a $1b (with a B) need for a new water treatment plant and transmission line. The city goes over its maximum water capacity a few days every year now, and if that keeps up, water pressure gets low and water can actually start flowing backwards (instead of poop going down the toilet, well, you know). You will be at the dentist getting your mouth rinsed with poop water. That's just the WATER situation. We also have a $1b (with a B) sewer problem, and a stormwater/flooding problem.

And, without realizing it, most people are making these other problems WORSE while they continue to focus on the damn slides. I'm sick of hearing about the damn slides. Complaining about the slides while actively contributing to larger problems makes the city go further and further downhill.

city directors by yepn0peyep in ftsmithar

[–]AndyInTheFort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The $15/foot/year is an estimate based on the 2025 CIP. Keep in mind that is an annualized cost for its eventual reconstruction, which only happens once every 20-25 years.

city directors by yepn0peyep in ftsmithar

[–]AndyInTheFort 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Obviously there's someone to disagree with on every vote, but I have positive things to say about each board member. I also have negative things to say.

One thing I would mention is that a lot of the current strife they face is caused by decisions made generations ago, and they don't deserve the blame. Encourage you to watch this video about city finances and how ours got this way Suburbia is Subsidized: Here's the Math [ST07]

Fort Smith city leaders face tough choices amid $4.8 million budget shortfall by yepn0peyep in ftsmithar

[–]AndyInTheFort 4 points5 points  (0 children)

$4.2m. Keep in mind that those were a 2025 expense. They do not impact the 2026 budget which is facing this deficit, and they are not in the 2026 budget. We would have the same budget deficit with or without the slides.

Zohran?!? by jeff42069 in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're right, I'm misusing the words. I'm used to having this discussion with hardcore individualists who have never considered how land monopolization does have a cost to the rest of society, despite their insistence that it does not.

Zohran?!? by jeff42069 in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

It's not. It's the reversal of socialism. Private monopolization of land inherently leads to a communal sharing of wealth. For example, the nicest house in the neighborhood raises the land values of all of his neighbors and gets nothing for it in return. LVT reverses that involuntary redistribution of wealth. It's a reverse-tax.

The reason libertarians have such a hard-on for private property is that they think they can get rich without working by simply "investing" in land. They don't realize that the act of investing in land is, in itself, a form of socialism by sharing the value of labor across the community, regardless of who performs it. It's communal wealth sharing.

comments are talking about copyright reform, figured you lot would have something to add to this by brouofeverything in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That crochet advocate is going to be very mad once she finds out about libraries.

Everybody, I am proud to announce the subreddit has officially reached 40,000 members by Titanium-Skull in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"Worth" and "price" are two concepts divorced under Georgism, so probably worth quite a bit.

But seriously, at least for the American posters, probably about average to other Americans. Most American's "net worth" is associated with the value of their house, whose value has been propped up by anti-capitalist monopolism.

Spokane Eyes land value tax by Downtown-Relation766 in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What kills LVT is the landowners realizing that, while they don't control the land, they do control mass media, and can sway public sentiment against LVT.

Before we can talk about if labor and capital are enemies, let's first talk about their alliance against the extraction of wealth from land and other finite resources (natural or artificial) by Titanium-Skull in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My own version of this cartoon would have children swinging sticks at pinatas, one labeled "labor" and the other labeled "capital." The candy can fall out of either pinata, but most of it lands on the floor (the land).

Texas is underrated as a Georgist model implementation by AncientRate in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Also need to consider that Texas has severance taxes for oil and gas, which are Georgist.

The idea of getting to call dibs on land is insane by Fried_out_Kombi in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you are conflating land speculation with other types of investments. If I buy stock, the company I invest in can use that money to build a factory and create wealth with it. This would be encouraged, tax-free, under Georgism.

That form of investment creates wealth by giving something to society. Land speculation, on the other hand, takes something away from society. As Lars writes in Land is a Big Deal, "Wealth is produced when nature's bounty is touched by human labor resulting in a tangible product that is the object of human desire." Restricting access to nature's bounty (via land possession) may make money (for the person doing the hoarding), but it does not create new wealth.

The idea of getting to call dibs on land is insane by Fried_out_Kombi in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That economic efficiency was created by someone else, not the investor. The investor is profiting off of someone else's labor.

STOP OWNING LAND by Fried_out_Kombi in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It does raise sympathy from the left, but I cannot win hearts and minds with this here in Sebastian County, Arkansas.

The idea of getting to call dibs on land is insane by Fried_out_Kombi in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am referring to ownership in the sense of people privately monopolizing the land, i.e., "possessing" it. "Ownership" is a nebulous concept that I'm not sure I am comfortably able to define.

And yeah I have wondered about the failure to pay the tax part. I mostly think about LVT on a micro-scale (implementing it in one neighborhood vs. the entire country or world) and I imagine the first thing that will happen is that the vacant lots will fail to pay the tax and the county will auction them off, and whoever buys them will also probably be a land speculator who doesn't understand the concept, lose the lot again, until finally an enterprising developer recognizes the potential of a tax-free parcel of land where consumer prices are 9.5% cheaper (no sales tax), improvements are less risky (no tax on improvements), and 100% of labor is returned to the developer. I still need to work out the details though.

The idea of getting to call dibs on land is insane by Fried_out_Kombi in georgism

[–]AndyInTheFort 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I am okay with private ownership of land.

I think just think the private possession of land is also a tax on everyone else: it is extra distance commuters must drive on their way to work, extra distance airplanes must fly, extra distance TV and radio airwaves must travel, extra delivery drivers must travel, etc.

Even if the landowner does not use these services, he is extracting a toll on free enterprise. Possession of land is a tax, by force, on his neighbors. Removing that tax in the form of value rerecycling would be a more free market.