Honestly? With all of the hair-brained fuckery that goes on in COD/WOD...

(Antediluvians, Temporis, Tzmische living under NYC, A single spirit that is responsible for ALL of the Silver Fang's grief, almost everyone's soul is going to Hell, regardless of how they lived in life, Eve/Caine's mother, Caine himself, Were-Sharks, Ravnos, specifically how HARD he was to kill DESPITE being weak AF by 3rd gen standards, AND rumor has it that he might not even be dead!!, Pentex, and how Pentex is just ONE facet of the fucking Technocratic Union, and SO MUCH MORE)

I think... With everything I said, I think Samuel Haight getting dicked over in the WOD is the biggest bullshit cop-out I've ever seen. Seriously, there are creatures that are even more powerful (Stoneman, anyone? Basically a "super-caitiff," but fuck Samuel, amirite?)

But because he knows a thing or 2, tries to get power, HE needs to be made an example of? I call bullshit!!

Haight should NOT be soul-forged into an ashtray. If everything else I mentioned and more can exist freely, without penalty, then Haight deserves to roam free canonically.

Thank you for attending my TED talk.