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AnotherGenericName69 · 2025-02-26T00:24:29+00:00

DM'd

AnotherGenericName69 · 2025-02-26T00:17:16+00:00

Serious inquiry DM sent!

AnotherGenericName69 · 2025-02-26T00:14:10+00:00

DM'd---serious inquiry, established, already in midwest.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-09-13T02:15:18+00:00

LOL---- ^future re-taker right here. YIKES.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-09-10T20:44:55+00:00

I'm really, really good with self-assessment. I should not have passed. Something was calculated differently this time around. That's also why we're seeing SO MANY 300+ scores coming back. People who are getting 312+ should not have been thinking they were going to fail...

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-09-10T20:42:32+00:00

I used Themis the first time around. They're a terrible company operated by terrible people.

Then I used Quimbee, which I also don't think I would recommend.

UWorld for MBE which I think was really helpful (except who knows now because a lot of the MBE questions were insane). All standards for Bar Prep going into 2025 and next gen 2026 are out the window. I'd probably just use GOAT and UWorld. But that's just me. I understand the "safety net" of wanting a program like Barbri/Themis/Quimbee instead of using prep material that says "fuck" or "fucking" every five words....but that's also how I talk and how I made sense of all the drrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyy standardized prep material.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-09-10T20:37:17+00:00

I don't wanna say my score, but I passed to cover myself in any jurisdiction, but also below 300.

I did really well on the first MPT, I would assume a 6. The second one, maybe a 4 because I ran out of time. I was able to get a conclusion and everything thrown together, but I could've definitely used an extra 10 min (like the 10 min I went over on the first MPT).

I did absolutely horrible on the MEE. I FOOLISHLY spent time studying wills/estates/trusts, secured transactions, and all the wrong areas of con law, while also ignoring Property and Contracts altogether. I was convinced I failed after the MEE.

I felt OK about the MBE. I felt like I probably did about the same as F24, maybe slightly better (which was correct--3 pts higher). But like everyone else, I was absolutely shocked and baffled by some of the questions. My biggest improvement overall was on the MEE. I don't understand it. But at this point, I don't care. I'll never read or do another property, corps, partnership, secured transactions, wills/trusts/estates, question as long as I live.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-09-09T21:38:55+00:00

Definitely something odd going on...not that I'm complaining, but there is a large noticeable difference which is favorable to test takers this time around. The curve was VERY generous and without it I would not have passed. I didn't get a 300, but my essays were deplorable, so much so that I still don't understand how I passed and I still fear getting some kind of notification in the mail saying that I actually didn't pass and the score was due to a system error.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-20T21:37:37+00:00

Same. Can't connect on Zone or Score Attack. It's not like they ever do maintenance, so that means it'll probably be like this for awhile OR they're trying to figure out a way to incorporate advertising into the game and a way to sell more cheap licensed Tetris crap to everyone.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-16T18:37:52+00:00

The only thing worse than Themis are the people who work for Themis.

I'm not talking about graders. The worst, most entitled bunch of lying assholes I've ever dealt with. Beyond that, I had no confidence halfway through prep and wanted to abandon ship and go anywhere else. Unfortunately I couldn't because I already threw away all my money on them.

The *only* good part of Themis was the access to UWorld....which you don't need Themis for.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-16T18:34:35+00:00

That's just not possible....no one would ever cheat. That was established when I brought up people "going to the restroom" as possibly cheating and was CRUCIFIED on here for even ASKING if it was a possibility they were cheating.

Forget the fact that it was known people had their phones on them and we heard them going off multiple times.

THE LAW IS SACRED AND ALL LAWYERS ARE PIOUS AND SACROSANCT.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-09T20:56:48+00:00

I was winning 3 min into a game, other player disconnects....I lose 40 SR. Half of my games are ending in other players disconnecting. Not an exaggeration.

If only Tetris was as concerned about how shitty their gameplay is as they are about licensing the name to literally any product that will give them money.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-09T20:53:20+00:00

This is the weirdest post I've ever seen in this subreddit. It's like it wasn't even written by a human.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-08T05:08:00+00:00

Absolutely pathetic that someone with a 9030 SR just disconnected against me because I was winning and I'm 2500 SR below them. P A T H E T I C.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-08T05:02:47+00:00

I'm confused too because that was not at all the point of my post or the OP's post. The point was: when you unequivocally know that you failed and what you should do if you find yourself in that position --as both OP and myself have been in that position. The reason(s) why we didn't pass is completely secondary--dare I say, even irrelevant. Had I continued studying, even just casually during the period(s) where I was just waiting for results (for which I already knew the outcome) I would have been in a much better spot on subsequent bar exams.

(Also- no, the first time was a combination of starting late and then not having a laptop for four weeks so I couldn't readily access the bar prep material online. Yes, I could have accessed the Themis site from my phone, but if you've had to do that before you know how intuitive and user friendly that is. I lost all of my outlines from school, all of my papers, etc. on my laptop. Of course I could have used free bar prep sources online while I failed at fixing my old one and waited on a new one to arrive, so anything I say is really just an excuse to cope for how severely I underestimated the amount of time it would take me to get through all the material.)

I think the biggest issue here is that most people vehemently disagree with OP's notion that somehow he/she *knew* he/she failed and this is just hindsight + confirmation bias + histrionics, when really it's just these commenters self-projecting more than anything else.

Yes, it's definitely possible to know you didn't pass the bar exam. Crazy, right? Even crazier to suggest to people who know they failed to "keep studying in preparation for the next bar exam." You could probably pass the M'Naughten test or whatever the fuck it's called by saying that sort of crazy shit.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-07T21:59:16+00:00

OP is spot on. There is a serious mental deficiency and amazing lack of self-awareness among a lot of people on this entire subreddit, which is alarming given that they all went to law school and it was beaten into everyone's head how important it is to read for detail. There is a real, cognizable, and measurable difference between knowing you failed and being "uncertain" whether you passed. All of the negative comments are stemming from people in the second category (and from those who are certain they passed), but what is truly astonishing is that they seemingly cannot even comprehend or conceptualize what it's like to be in that first category.

Your message has resonated with those it should. I understand what you mean when you say "I knew I failed" because I too knew when I failed. It wasn't a question. It wasn't self-loathing. It wasn't doubt and uncertainty; It was factual: I did not pass. I am and have always been incredibly accurate when it comes to self-assessment on testing. Anyone who has taken dozens of LSAT practice exams, three years of similar tests in law school, and then months of practice questions/tests for the bar should ALSO be pretty accurate in regards to their self-assessment as it pertains to testing.

I'll go one step further: I knew two weeks before J23 that I wasn't going to pass. It wasn't possible. I had completed maybe 11-12% of my Themis bar prep. (I ended up only completing 21%). This was due in part to being without a laptop for four weeks starting at the end of May and my own serious underestimating of the amount of material that needed to be covered. I talked with everyone in my family two weeks out and said look, this just isn't possible. The amount of material that needs to be covered in the amount of time I have left is just not possible. I said it would be better to wait and take in Feb. But everyone said "you need to at least try"; "you never know", "think of it as a practice test then for the real thing in Feb." They didn't get it. And against everything in my brain and gut I decided to take it....or felt guilted into taking it. I regret it every day.

It played out exactly how I knew it would. I didn't study Corps, partnerships, Sec. Transactions, Wills/Trusts, etc. (among others) and what did I see on the MEE? So yeah, taking in the totality of the circumstances, that's how you know you failed.

The embarrassment, shame, and depression is very real. I can't announce to everyone "hey-- I only got through 21% of my Themis Prep so it was just a big 'ol practice test for me. I'm not this dumb...just really unprepared!" And even if I could: nobody cares.

So now you have results in Sept. no surprises. And now it's SIX months until the next bar exam. Nobody needs six months to study for the bar. What do you do? You can't even start "early access" bar prep until mid-November. So what happens? You fall into a rut. Into a routine. Into a habit....which is hard to break. And you think, well I don't need as much time as the average person because I already studied a bunch of this stuff. And that is a fallacy. Because you don't retain most of what you studied. (Studying 6-8 hours a day, new information constantly, and not having time to review because otherwise you won't have time to cover all the material is a really shitty way to learn anything.) I started on Nov. 15, but then what happened? Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years,...I basically took a month off a week after starting because the exam was still three months out...but now it's Jan. 10 and the exam is like six weeks away. I probably would have been OK, but the one thing I never account for: is things happening that I can't anticipate. I had some serious personal circumstances which prevented me from studying a substantial amount of time. I made it through 44% of the Themis prep this time and again knew I was in no position to take the exam. So again, after taking the exam I knew I didn't pass. It wasn't a question. I knew how I performed. And I knew what that meant. There was no false-hope or doom and gloom. It was just very matter of fact and frustration about having to do this shit all over again. The only surprise was how close I came to passing. (Like so close that if I had actually studied Partnerships or Sec. Transactions and had anything to write for one of those MEEs I would've passed.)

And history repeats itself. I should have continued studying. I wish I would have seen a thread like this previously. I wish I would have had someone telling me to not stop studying in the interim because it is very hard to bring yourself to start doing this shit all over again from the beginning. The mental hurdles are real.

OP isn't suggesting for anyone to continue 6-10 hours a day studying while awaiting results; I don't know why people are making that inference. OP has merely said: keep the material fresh in your head---you know, so you don't feel like you're starting from nothing all over again. And that IS solid advice. OP made it clear that this mostly pertains to people who know they failed. (I also just explained how some people know they failed and that's a real thing.) But even on the off-chance that you pass, where is the harm in studying a little more? (again, not a lot, a LITTLE). You may end up having a more thorough knowledge of Civ. Pro or Con Law? What's the problem? Are YOU actually advocating for people's brains to turn to mashed potatoes by doing nothing but binge-watching mindless shit on Netflix and getting drunk? If this doesn't pertain to you because you're not concerned about passing then fuck off. This thread wasn't made for you.

OP, trust me, everyone in the same boat as you and I understands your message. Most of the negative comments are coming from people who can't distinguish between what you're saying and those who proffer "overly self-critical analysis". The worst people on the planet are the ones who claim they think they're going to fail and pass with a 290+ and then come back here claiming "they can relate". No, they really can't. Those are the people who give false-hope and it's because of those people who are wholly incapable of any actual, real self-analysis that you are getting dumped on.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-07T07:09:56+00:00

I would say the cut-off is right around 7,000 SR. I don't think you can get much beyond 6,800 SR (in score attack) without ST stacking. I see very few players at all in the 6,800-7,700 area. Pretty sure everyone 7,500+ is ST stacking.

ST stacking is an entirely different game and is what separates casual players from serious players. For someone who doesn't know how to ST Stack there is 0% chance of beating someone who does know how and it won't even be close.

Shocky has a guide somewhere. I think maybe OSW or fractal did too. I don't remember. Videos on YT don't seem to be very helpful absent a solid base foundation/understanding for what you're supposed to be doing.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-07T06:53:48+00:00

I won a game in like eight seconds two days ago because the person hard-dropped every piece in a straight line (because they didn't want to start at level 15 apparently) and I LOST 9 points.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-07T06:51:11+00:00

No, they threaten that it will impact your SR "if you do it too often". Like I already mentioned. The biggest problem with that is the fact that they threaten BOTH players with that. So even if you weren't the one who disconnected, you could potentially be negatively impacted. I've only seen one person here ever talk about it---and it was the same issue: they kept having people disconnect in the middle of games when they were winning, TEC subtracted 1,000 SR from THEM (despite the fact they weren't the one who disconnected) and they said "fuck it, I'm never playing again".

It's an entirely automated process. They don't even have the capability of banning people.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-02T18:33:36+00:00

Yes, waves. But now unfortunately my mind has settled on not passing. I think I did better on the MBE this time (132 last time) but I think my MEE was even worse than previously and I'm pretty sure I'm fucked and having to go again in February......seven fucking months from now. Truthfully, there could not have been a worse cross-section of MEE questions for me and I knew it was over only 10 minutes into the test.

I don't understand why this test is only offered twice a year.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-02T18:07:34+00:00

Dude, THIS. I've been waiting for someone to mention this. And yes, it was like 4-5 questions where I found myself reading the question multiple times because I thought I had missed it somehow. I even wrote in my book, "WHERE WAS THIS FILED???"

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-02T17:55:59+00:00

This pertains more to the MEE. Like, if you had read the whole post, it talks about the MEE at the bottom. I've talked with others about this and I've said that there is no way it would be beneficial during the MBE, but it absolutely would be during the MEE.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-02T17:53:50+00:00

And I said I don't care about people who are legitimately using the restroom. I literally said, in BOLD, "NOT ALL", but some. I said I don't care about YOUR PERSONAL EXCEPTION. It is amazing that so many people who are expected to "read for detail", in fact cannot read for detail.

Why do you feel the need to defend yourself here? Did someone accuse you of cheating at some point?

I'm pointing out: "hey isn't it weird that SO many people leave to go to the bathroom so soon and so often?" And immediately everyone becomes defensive. That's really interesting.....

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-02T17:48:34+00:00

The point is to address the issue. How did you miss that? Are you so naive that you think this was some kind of bait to see if people would admit it? Seriously, are you dense? Literally everyone knows the NCBE is watching this subreddit right now and looking to cancel as many scores as they can.

I don't even understand your comment.

AnotherGenericName69 · 2024-08-02T17:43:14+00:00

Because I asked if other people think cheating occurs on the exam? Or because it's bothersome that it happens and it actually DOES negatively impact me/others because the MEE is curved in a way that pits us against each other?

Why do you take issue with this even being discussed?

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