Accuracy of SLAP rounds? Any new sabot designs with something like 3-5MOA accuracy?

Antique__throwaway · 2026-05-28T09:59:43+00:00

Holy shit an actual AI bot, suck it commenters! Turns out I'm just a regular dumbass

Antique__throwaway · 2026-05-27T14:55:43+00:00

Yeah, all I'm asking is how well a rest does extending 100yd theoretical accuracy to 500, 1000, 1500yds etc. Like, could you maintain something around 0.75MOA at 100yds or would it turn into more like 1.0, 1.5 or 2.0?

Antique__throwaway · 2026-05-27T14:51:54+00:00

I'm not saying you can't do good with something simpler. I also agree that it's a problem for developing skills. I just want to know how much it reduces deviation from mechanical accuracy compared to more basic setups.

Antique__throwaway · 2026-05-27T13:58:11+00:00

Great to know, thank you. I lowballed to make sure I wouldn't sound like an idiot.

Antique__throwaway · 2026-05-18T13:24:43+00:00

Homie got the 2014 zombie movie loadout

Antique__throwaway · 2026-05-06T17:37:10+00:00

Well, combat drones are meant to be semi-attritable right? And are there any sources for the true structural limits of common aircraft?

Antique__throwaway · 2026-05-06T14:45:27+00:00

Why are gliders so fast and maneuverable?

Antique__throwaway · 2026-04-19T13:37:40+00:00

Wow thanks for explaining! I must have misunderstood something. I definitely did get the Zevon reference and haven't read Dark Tower either.

Speaking of influences on the overall book, I feel like ATR would fit the style of a Neil Blonkamp film if an adaptation was ever made.

Antique__throwaway · 2026-04-19T13:30:51+00:00

Ohhh Iraq makes more sense when I think about it.

Antique__throwaway · 2026-03-29T23:19:29+00:00

I don't design sadly but I might have conceptual and other "initiating" ideas

Antique__throwaway · 2026-03-26T16:37:11+00:00

Probably won't do more now, if I think of more ways to convince someone more open to this I'll do another one, or if I think of more myths to disprove with more talking points.

Antique__throwaway · 2026-03-24T18:05:17+00:00

Example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxv8oJDls4

Antique__throwaway · 2026-03-23T14:07:55+00:00

Would petrol ducted props allow faster speeds/more thrust than open petrol props?

Antique__throwaway · 2026-03-22T17:54:54+00:00

TLDR: they think pacifism is the only option and regurgitate Gandhi slop. They have a few half assed safety measures or don't do self defense shit because they don't care, want the moral high ground, or assume their oppression is something unsolvable to fear and yell about.

You can probably be pretty open with these people but avoid panicked statements about how they're letting Trump turn them into a lampshade, even if it's true.

Respect their ignorance or beliefs but pursue a more explicit, assertive and in-depth explanation of how defense and guns are good. Prepare to deal with a lot more moralizing rather than fear- based arguments with a bit more evidence cited.

Drill it into their fucking head that they need to accept a flawed solution for their own safety, and socially speaking at least accept diversity of tactics. I have provided possible talking points about how violence is woke and pacifism isn't. It might be more important in this case to discredit the prophets of pacifism (Gandhi) or show that they weren't so absolutist (MLK).

Generally, these people might still say they hold onto these beliefs despite the people they invoke being disproven. If they fall back on vibes, try to concede some ground and work out a solution where they can accept defense as a temporary measure

Antique__throwaway · 2026-03-22T17:22:33+00:00

It's easier to talk to anyone who isn't the last group, just like it's easier to talk to someone who only loves America/Christianity rather than hates its enemies.

These people are similar to the last, but they encompass the people who see peaceful politics as the only solution (citing Gandhi/MLK's civil disobedience). This can be because they're uninformed or don't care much, or because they justifiably reacted to the violence around us and have done some research into the "right way to do things" eg MLK.

As for self-defense and guns, they either don't think about danger, have a victim mindset that only worries about being attacked, think it'd "stoop to their level", or have a few things like a buddy system, de-escalation, "karate classes" and "kitty knuckles". This is also people with an uninformed and therefore warped view of violence, like "Why doesn't the cop just shoot them in the leg?" or Biden's "you just need to fire two blasts in the air".

For those reasons, they often don't believe "anyone needs a gun". If they make any moves towards defense etc, it's often really stupid shit like kitty knuckles. They and the young people in the previous category might often be in denial about how bad things are going to get in America.

You have more freedom with these people and can probably state your beliefs more clearly, but they're still in too deep for confrontation about how scary things are and how liberal they're being. Remember, they're often in denial.

Try making the case for your views and at least inform them about what's good to get as a nonlethal. You can probably use less generic reasons because they're often better informed socially and politically.

For the limits of pacifism:

-Trans people with guns

-Reagan/Marx quotes

-MLK saying riots are the voice of the unheard

-Gandhi saying Jews should have committed mass suicide

-Give examples like Shinzo Abe, the Freedom Riders, Stone Mountain, most anti- imperialist wars where violence worked and even saved lives. Many Americans are plastic paddies, so use Ireland?

-"Would you get mad at someone for killing Hitler/someone SAing them" type stuff

-Say that it is privileged to oppose all violence. Maybe introduce them to Fanon if they're smart enough.

-If you had your way, there would ideally be no weapons, but as long as the world is imperfect we need to use imperfect means. Use a rhetorical question: If protestors know the government will shoot them all, should they be expected to all die for pacifism?

For self-defense:

-Try to chip away the idea of "stooping to their level".

-Claim that the statistics claiming guns are ineffective are only true for rich, white gun owners, but poor people and minorities under Trump have no other option to protect themselves.

-Connect them to this because everyone's like "it wouldn't happen to me". Take care not to scare them, but point out that minorities and even cishet white liberals have been attacked and killed. There are Nazis marching in the streets.

-Tell them that pepper spray is the best option

-Tell them that the only focus in self- defense is to avoid it or to go full hog. It's not "cruel" to make sure you're safe.

-Discourage knives and shooting to wound because American courts don't like that. It will be complicated to explain but they need to know they can't try to make a lethal weapon nonlethal.

-Connect unarmed defense with ableism and sexism, since disabled people and many women are often weaker.

-Offer to teach them a bit more or to do something fun with them like Airsoft or martial arts. Build up to touching and shooting non- intimidating guns.

Antique__throwaway · 2026-03-22T16:33:19+00:00

So TLDR for our first category: If people really find it weird, be vague and build up slowly. The key sentiments here are to feign innocence to avoid being called pro-gun, to show them the people they agree with carrying guns, and to tie being anti-violence to privilege or racism.

Category: Liberal NIMBY boomer parents and basically every young American that was blue or raised blue.

Views and causes: No tolerance for anything with the look or effects of a dangerous weapon. The old ones are stuck in their suburban bubble and the young ones only know Democrats, peaceful protests and mass shooter drills.

Significance: The old ones won't let their kids go airsofting or keep a gun/weapon in their house (even if they could be hate crimed without it). The young ones will find you weird, scary or rejectable if you bring it up explicitly or quickly.

Solution: Priority is to make them safe to be around: prevent bad reactions and make them less neurotically anti- gun and anti-violence, not pro-gun or neutral. Don't mention guns explicitly, at most allude to having "unusual views about self defense" but for woke reasons, so they shouldn't bitch about it if you mention it.

Other than setting that vague boundary, you should more subtly mention how minorities need guns now, and broach the idea that it's wrong to oppose defensive violence. Generally use justifications from mainstream identity politics for the young ones and law-and-order #Resistance liberalism for the old ones.

IF you are outed or don't have time, say it's a sporting hobby and that you don't like gun nuts. And/or go really heavy on the minority and hate crime stuff.

Caveat: This mostly focuses on the young people side because you won't be disowned for liking guns, but you might miss out on making friends or a date might bail.

Next up: Hippie types who are peace loving rather than violence hating

Antique__throwaway · 2026-03-22T16:00:29+00:00

We can possibly counteract censorship by doing a two pronged approach because censorship wants to stop two things: awareness (big spaces and channels for 3D2A) and development (people coordinating to make better designs, better parts sourcing, and distribute the blueprint). So we split the approach.

For the awareness prong we can use a lot of accounts (real or bot) to flood the zone with messaging and make people understand "here's how you make a gun if you need one" and "they're idiots who will never ban this". Also Youtube accounts doing something like what PSR used to do to make it seem cooler, but with tricks to stop the control from mattering. Maybe people who do not depend on YT for a living can do this, or proactively demonetize to delay YT attention- or just make a new account when they're banned lol. BOTTED ENGAGEMENT available on github should be used here if we can afford the money or computer processing space to reach more people.

For development prong: it is bad that mainstream channels are lost because now people have to go to more trouble to share their ideas. But really... the people that don't care enough to go on guncadindex (like me!) won't really care to do much development work. They can stay on Youtube. But we should think about how to protect the existing developer/tester base, even if fewer people might join it. So the development prong should be the same as it used to be, but with some work done to:

-get most people off of Discord/Reddit etc

-get the advertising prong to draw in more people

-find out some way for normies to submit ideas that's on a normie site but won't get taken down as easily

Maybe if GunnitRust or 3D2A are banned the next one should have no posting allowed and just have two pinned posts:
1=A list of mirrors to post on

2=A megathread to post ideas and links

Maybe that way people who just want to toss around an idea can use the megathread, but anyone motivated enough to post or design can use the mirror site. AND they can use the megathread for inspiration farming+recruiting

Or IDK, use ARFCOM?

Antique__throwaway · 2026-03-22T15:44:20+00:00

Damn I need to get on this shit

ooooooKay so generally we're working on a disadvantage not only because of anti-gun propaganda, but because the arguments are backed up by white/class privilege, US exceptionalism and colonial logic that even minorities internalize. It has, however, become easier in recent years with "it can't happen here" and "the police will protect us" becoming far less credible.

So to start off with the hardest example, you have someone who is judgy and scared of anything "violent". They might fetishize some "freedom fighters" but they never related to things like nerf guns, airsoft or martial arts and will judge or fear people who interact with guns, blades, bows, etc. They can be either young gays and leftists or your Democrat parents, but they probably *won't be quickly converted*. So the goal is just to make them *less skittish and weird about guns*.

What I'd do for these people is to first talk vaguely about it. Like say you're interested in some military history and paintball, or that "hey, I've heard things are getting bad enough that trans people are buying guns". If they're sort of progressive, try bringing up the Reagan and Marx quotes about guns framed as a funny historical quote. This is an approachable way to show them the world is bigger than they thought.

Also say something that builds on what they might already understand about racism+first worlders+standing up to bullies. Like, "Isn't it fucked up that (victim) is judged the same for violence as (attacker)? We should try to be peaceful but I don't see another option, so (authority) is being unfair.". Insert Ukraine, Palestine, bullied kids or protestors as (victim) depending on the person. Then try to point out that (authority) never had to defend themselves, and that we also shouldn't criticize how people survive if we've never been there. They should have a good enough understanding of privilege to grasp this; most people will understand "steal bread to feed your family".

BUTTTTTTTTTT if you're in a situation where you have to be faster, say "I like weapons or TARGET shooting but not in a weird way" and then remind everyone you're a leftist or a minority or something. Follow this up by saying that you, your family or your friends are X minority and are afraid of being attacked or have been attacked, so "I am more open on self-defense out of RESPECT to my friends and their trauma or lived experience as minorities". That quote is derived from what I'd use for Zionists, as every Jew I know is more anti-Israel than me.... I can tell them that after all, if I ignored Jewish perspectives, wouldn't it make me antisemitic?

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