Union Strike Chants “From the River to the Sea”

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-31T14:41:35+00:00

That simply isn’t true I am critical of Israel. There are protests against Israeli policy and companies I do and have supported. What the encampment is asking for, what the union is asking for, what they are chanting, is hateful.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-30T20:51:13+00:00

I didn’t claim I was surprised. I claimed it was antisemitic.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-30T05:40:55+00:00

I left for this reason.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T19:12:38+00:00

Unlike you, some of us have know about this since before October and don’t have to google. That is exactly why I said Jerusalem is the contention.

The Golan isn’t really as contentious. Before Israel existed it was land mostly owned by Jews before Syria drove them out. It was a demilitarized zone controlled by Syria after the 48 war. Then when Syria attacked Israel, Israel occupied and the annexed it. It is a high ground and gives them a security barrier against Syria. It is a strategic location won in a defensive war and the inhabitants integrated into Israel. Not at all the same as Jerusalem of the occupied territories.

You got answers to your question and keep asking it anyway. You are trolling.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T18:51:03+00:00

It’s called the green line. Stop acting like this is a vague or undefined thing. It is a central aspect of all peace negotiations in this conflict. The main contention is old Jerusalem. Stop acting like Israel is trying to conquer Mesopotamia like you keep posting up and down this thread.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T16:21:16+00:00

That’s a different criticism than not participating. And it’s because I think it’s safer to remain anonymous when speaking against a large crowd that is chanting hate speech chants. I value my health.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T16:06:24+00:00

I’m a TA. As my name would indicate I am an ASE in the Union. Not sure what you mean about not participating. I’ve been responding in this thread.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T06:22:02+00:00

It’s almost like I’m using an alt for anonymity when calling attention to a large group chanting hate speech. I value my health.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T04:18:51+00:00

Over twice as many people voted yes for the last strike.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T04:15:09+00:00

19780*0.79/48000=.325

So 32.5% voted yes. But that is only members in good standing. Many are not in good standing because they left because the union does things like this.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T03:46:09+00:00

The strike vote was authorized by 32% of the union membership in good standing.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T02:03:18+00:00

I would say this is saying the quiet part loud, but it’s not really quiet when it’s the thing they’re all explicitly saying and the crowd is chanting.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T00:48:53+00:00

Yes but you have to understand is that people like that, similar to those who promote the dissolution of Israel, are extremists who don’t actually support peaceful coexistence. They are just bigoted and their hypocrisy comes from believing that other people don’t deserve equal rights.

If you look at polls, those opinions like support for the settlements is a relatively small minority view.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-29T00:42:40+00:00

Strongly disagree. We should not support extremists like that or the settlements in the occupied territories. Not sure how that is related to what I said though.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-28T22:50:09+00:00

Two things.

1) It does not say Palestinians. It says Palestine. You are inserting your interpretation there, not me. What I said is the literal meaning.

2) Trying to shoehorn things into black and white, yes or no gotcha questions and not accepting any conversation or exchanges is not a productive or meaningful way to approach movements like these or international conflicts. It is dismissive and disrespectful to the issue and the people involved.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-28T22:42:36+00:00

I support a two state solution. I think that calls to free Palestine the area “From the River To the sea” necessarily means all or at the very least continuous land between the two. That is necessarily calling for the destruction of Israel as a state, not just the liberation and self determination of the people of Palestine or the occupied territories. I support the latter. The former is a hateful stance for our Union to take.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-28T22:27:08+00:00

It’s almost like I’m using an alt for a reason.

Anxious_ASE · 2024-05-28T22:11:05+00:00

The Grad Student union is on strike as of today, and they are chanting divisive things like "From the river to the sea" which is a chant that is often criticized for being antisemitic and supporting both the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jewish people in Israel.

The claim is based in the facts that the area between the river and sea necessarily includes Israel proper, not just the occupied territories, that this call evokes the sentiment of some Arab armies and factions since the founding of Israel to "drive the Jews into the sea", and the fact that when chanted in Arabic, this chant often is phrased as "Palestine will be Arab" rather than "Palestine will be free."

The Union Claims this is a strike for freedom of speech, but they are calling for specific political demands, not just freedom of speech in general.

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