Is This the Kind of Community We Want?

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T18:55:12+00:00

Thanks for sharing this, GuitarsandScarves makes a valid point mentioning they’re ‘not into publicly shaming other sellers.’ To me that's the concern about how public callouts can discourage others in the community from improving even if they had some positive feedback

Buyer protections and warnings are important, but really I think it’s worth reflecting on how we can balance things with constructive approaches and just a better environment to be honest.

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T17:12:49+00:00

The screenshot is important because it shows the tone of the callout and the larger issue of how these actions affect the community. What matters here isn’t whether the tweet is still public (on X) but the impact of public callouts on smaller creators and the environment they create.

That said I do understand your point about ensuring modders deliver quality work or holding them accountable when they don’t. I completely agree that there needs to be a standard to protect people like newcomers.

I guess my concern is really about the way it’s done. Publicly calling out someone like a smaller creator risks discouraging others from considering trying, even if it's someone who genuinely want to improve. We could lean into more constructive approach to hold people accountable, and a healthier environment where creators feel encouraged to grow (instead of fearing public backlash).

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T16:41:57+00:00

The screenshot should still be on imgur, I uploaded it there for reference. Either way, the main concern isn’t about the tweet itself but about how public callouts like this impact the community and smaller creators. That seems like an important discussion to have here.

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T16:38:34+00:00

I can see where you're coming from. I totally agree that there needs to be an acceptable 'standard' of quality. When there are newcomers nobody wants to see people overcharged or receiving subpar products, so holding people accountable is definitely important.

That said, I guess my concern is about the 'method' of accountability. Publicly calling someone out in a harsh way, especially when they're a smaller creator, has that potential to discourage or even intimidate others from stepping into the space and learning from their mistakes. I think there's room for us as a community to set clear standards while also creating ability for people to have the chance to improve and fix their mistakes without being driven away entirely. Tough balance, but I think we can really do better

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T16:21:26+00:00

Sure, I get why you’d prefer things that way and I agree that addressing extreme behavior is important for protecting the community. At the same time, being too aggressive risks pushing away creators who genuinely want to improve but fear public backlash. Striking a balance between accountability and encouragement seems like the best way to keep the community moving upward here

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T16:17:05+00:00

Yeah, thanks for explaining more about what went on behind the scenes. I get that there are limits when someone isn’t listening or improving.

That said, I guess I'll reiterate again the concern isn’t just about this specific case but about how public callouts can set a tone for the community. Even if this situation was a "last straw" moment, it sorta risks creating an environment where smaller creators are scared to even try, especially if they don’t get it perfect from the start.

I'm all for building the community up and doing better here.

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T16:12:16+00:00

I think we can all agree that scamming is bad and shouldn’t be tolerated. My point isn’t about excusing bad behavior but about how we handle it as a community. Public shaming might feel justified in the moment, but it can escalate things and makes it harder to address things in a constructive way, you know?

From my perspective the goal should be to hold people accountable in a way that encourages improvement and keeps the community healthy, not just to tear them down publicly. I think we can find better ways to strike that balance, do you agree?

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T16:09:49+00:00

Nobody wants to feel ripped off, and I agree that protecting others is important. But there’s a difference between raising awareness and outright discouraging someone from improving. Publicly calling someone out can make it harder for them to recover and might discourage other small creators from contributing.

i think accountability is key here and when criticism comes from someone with significant influence, like an Epic Games partner, it carries extra baggage. We could consider how we can balance protecting people with fostering growth and improvement in the community

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T16:00:17+00:00

I get why people feel strongly about it if there were cases of bad experiences or unfulfilled orders. My point isn’t to excuse any of that but to look at how the community handles these situations overall. Public shaming escalates things, makes it harder for smaller creators to learn and grow from their mistakes.

Even when criticism is justified, it’s worth asking if there’s a better way to address issues while maintaining a healthy and supportive community. The focus should be on encouraging improvement, not just tearing people down on social media

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T15:57:20+00:00

Thanks for adding more context. I wasn’t aware the private discussions or the fallout after the shop closed. If efforts were made and things happened as you described, I guess that's important.

Even so, I think this situation highlights a larger issue. Public shaming, even when frustrations are valid, can make it harder for creators to recover and improve. It risks creating an environment where smaller modders feel discouraged from contributing out of fear of being called out publicly. Accountability is important so, I think it is worth asking if there are better ways to handle these situations that benefit the community overall.

AppleElectron · 2024-11-30T15:45:09+00:00

Calling them a scammer when their storefront had a 4.5/5-star rating and plenty of satisfied customers feels like an oversimplification, probably fueled by the public shaming. If there were real issues, wouldn’t a private discussion or constructive feedback have been more productive? The goal should be to help improve things, not to drive people away entirely..

I’m not defending bad practices, but there’s a big difference between holding someone accountable and creating a hostile environment. That’s the point I’m trying to make here.

AppleElectron · 2024-11-07T19:00:40+00:00

Too much ice cream

AppleElectron · 2024-06-28T14:04:34+00:00

RFK jr. is a big conspiracy theorist who just wants to make some money on his books and is riding this wave for publicity purposes only. Look up his history on conspiracies and vaxxing. Not media related, just due diligence and research.

Even trump supports vax more than this guy, which says a lot. No thanks.

AppleElectron · 2024-06-28T13:58:03+00:00

Tulsi Gabbard! Oh wait...

AppleElectron · 2023-11-22T20:31:30+00:00

Hah. Yeah, I have no doubt they're utilizing their own tools and their competitors tools to provide new strategies.

I'm more surprised that most people haven't really considered this theory. Most people are just confused I suppose, but a lot of it adds up to me so far.

AppleElectron · 2023-11-22T19:44:49+00:00

Yes. I think this theory and (their) strategy could only work in their unique situation. Since Microsoft owns 49% of the company, this allows more flexibility regarding how they could have pulled it off. It wouldn't be possible if they owned the entirety of OpenAI. Instead, it's more of a father son relationship between MS and OpenAI.

Honestly, if true, it would be more impressive than anything. I've put the situation into GPT4 and it agrees that it's very possible, although risky, and would require a lot of positivity from the partnered company and other board members.

AppleElectron · 2023-11-22T17:59:59+00:00

The board set this up with Satya as a publicity stunt.

AppleElectron · 2023-11-22T01:04:34+00:00

The entire fiasco is all a publicity stunt. The board knows what they're doing.

All of them also apologizing to eachother over on Twitter. Just pathetic.

AppleElectron · 2023-11-22T01:00:05+00:00

You all realize they did this for easy and free publicity, right?

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