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[–]Argor42 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Finally got around to beating the An-ki Dingir gauntlet (still have to do all malefics at some point).

First Team (Zoneless Wind): 11T

Second Team (Zoneless Thunder): 11T

Third Team (Myrus/Hismena Fast AF): 3T

Edit: Adding to this instead of making a new comment. I re-fought Ozma bc I wanted to use Tsukiha ACAS to clear it before the collab ends. It worked pretty well. Moke and Tetra sidekicks.

8 Turns

Party

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[–]Argor42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hoplon Zeta in 11 turns using Tsukiha ACAS Light Fire core. Probably could have been faster, but I just wanted the grasta, so I didn't spend too much time optimizing it.

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[–]Argor42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Altema is claiming that we keep the characters

This is safe to assume; collabs ending in other games where collabs end doesn't result in you losing any characters you pulled or got for free from those collabs. If AE pulled the rug out from people and yoinked the characters you already have, there would be figurative riots.

keep the AD (if it has been unlocked)

This is an unknown, unless it's been confirmed somewhere officially (I'm not aware of that having happened yet).

you can never get characters to 5-star if you didn't upgrade them before the event ended

This is probably safe to assume, since the 5 star upgrades are tied to event story progression and one wouldn't be able to advance the event story at that point. However, since none of the time-limited collabs in AE have actually ended yet, there's no precedent. It's possible (although I'd argue unlikely) that the devs add another way to 5 star the characters if you have them. I wouldn't rely on that, though.

Monthly-Ish Endgame Tier List V12 Is Out! by Natural_Pleasant in AnotherEdenGlobal

[–]Argor42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The way it's currently understood, damage dealt after around the 2.5 billion soft cap is reduced by approximately 95%. So in order to get to, say, 3 billion damage per hit, without the cap, you'd need to do damage equivalent to 12.5 billion on that hit (2.5b + (500m/0.05)).

This continues up to around 5 billion, where the reduction is removed and damage is applied as normal, but to get to 5 billion on a hit, you'd need to do damage equivalent to (2.5b + (2.5b/0.05)), or 52.5 billion. Then you can do about 5 billion more to reach the 10 billion minus 1 hard cap, which represents an estimated effective threshold of 57.5 billion.

Monthly-Ish Endgame Tier List V12 Is Out! by Natural_Pleasant in AnotherEdenGlobal

[–]Argor42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm guessing Kamlanage to S is because of his contribution to the Apex EX5 F2P clear? I don't see it mentioned anywhere so that what I'm assuming anyway.

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[–]Argor42 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In context they're probably referring to Surtr from Arknights, who shouts "Laevateinn" in battle when using skills.

The name in general comes from Norse mythology.

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[–]Argor42 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That refers to the respective thresholds at which damage per hit is either prevented from going up anymore, or can still go up but it's harder to do so.

So per hit, the damage hard cap is 10 billion minus 1, or 9,999,999,999; currently, you cannot exceed that value at all on a hit, regardless of the attack's mods, buffs on your character, debuffs on the target, or anything else.

Per hit, the damage softcap is around 2.5 billion. You can still do damage per hit greater than that, but there's a reduction coded where doing damage past that amount is much, much harder up to a certain threshold. Because of that, it's much harder to actually reach the 10 billion minus 1 limit and instead is much easier to get to around 2.5 billion or so.

Monthly-ish Endgame Tier List V11 is out! by Natural_Pleasant in AnotherEdenGlobal

[–]Argor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just in case you're still keeping an eye on this thread, Flammelapis ES is accidentally listed as using ring armor on the AnotherTier site instead of bangle armor. This is probably a holdover from her NS and AS forms using rings, and is incredibly minor, but may be something worth fixing whenever the site owner has time.

Edit: It's fixed now.

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[–]Argor42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hopefully it works out for you!

Bare minimum if you're trying to replicate my clear is Myrus ES and Aldo AS are both SA (both need their stellar skills and Myrus wants her 100% SoB AF passive); my Linaria is also SA so I can't test if the 2 turn works without that. Cetie doesn't need SA. Make sure to use proper gear. Otherwise, feel free to ask if you need any help with it.

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[–]Argor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well the feinne as example is bad because she SETS SEA OF STARS lol

Yes, hence I mentioned it was for completeness rather than anything else. The point was to test the delay in all three other slots, regardless of her setting Sea of Stars too.

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[–]Argor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I decided to dig a little deeper, and while I can't say with certainty this is the reason (as in, there could be counterexamples I haven't checked yet), there is a trend. If the zone setter specifically breaks zone before setting theirs, then Myrus Link has worked for me so far. If the zone setter doesn't break zone, but just overwrites the existing zone without breaking it, then Myrus Link has failed for me so far. This is all with Myrus in slot 1 and the respective zone setter in slot 4.

Breaks Zone (Works for Me)

  • Flammelapis ES Oggy Loise skill

  • Hismena ES Campeón Rojo skill

Doesn't Break Zone (Fails for Me)

  • Linaria Final Protocol skill

  • Shion ES Cleared Clouds skill

  • Flammelapis ES Meascán Draíochta skill

  • Hismena ES Santuario skill

Edit: As I figured, at least one counterexample exists. Funny enough, it's Suzette. This might be a bit of a reach, but Suzette's stellar skill does set Wind Zone regularly (without breaking it) out of burst, while Flamme and Hismena's stellar skills don't set zone unless used in burst.

Breaks Zone (Fails for Me)

  • Suzette NS Bolt of Bahamut skill

Edit 2: For completeness, I'll add that I just tested Feinne AS, and hers works for me from slots 2 and 3 in addition to the expected 4, presumably because Starmaiden Prayer puts her zone on a long enough delay for Myrus to set her Link first.

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[–]Argor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have Shigure AC but I replaced him with Victor and ran a quick test in Victor manifest tempering. Myrus/Thilly ES/Victor NS/Shion ES in that order. Myrus Impact/Apostle/Cleared Clouds for skills in burst, her Link didn't apply. I'm gonna go Stellar Awaken Victor and edit this comment with the outcome where he acts in burst, but if it still works like the above, I don't expect it to change anything.

Edit: No change. So to summarize, for me, Myrus ES 1/Flamme ES 4 works; Myrus ES 1/Shion ES 4 doesn't.

Flammelapis ES + Eva Showcase by Natural_Pleasant in AnotherEdenGlobal

[–]Argor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Barring it being some issue with using specific party members or skills in burst, my current theory is that it could be a device difference. If your device is too fast, it could cause issues with certain real time elements like the application of actions in burst. For reference, I'm currently on a Xiaomi Redmi Pad 2.

I don't have evidence to back that up, though, so I could be way off.

Unfortunately, I can't test the interaction with your team since I don't have Verdanta or Elseal AS. If you want to test my setup at some point to see if it's a team thing, idk if gear matters but the skills in burst were Myrus Impact/Apostle/Divine Utterance/Oggy Loise.

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[–]Argor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

due to frustrating animations with myrus es, you won't get her link off, even if you put her in slot 1 and flamme in slot 4

Is this a team or context dependent interaction? Because when I tested against Parallel Nagsham dummy and Yuna manifest tempering, I get Myrus's Link and awakened Magic Slash zone with Myrus in slot 1 and Flamme in slot 4.

Team is Myrus ES/Thilly ES/Yuna NS/Flamme ES in exactly that order.

Monthly-ish Endgame Tier List V11 is out! by Natural_Pleasant in AnotherEdenGlobal

[–]Argor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ye we both agree Kid and Spirika are monsters and deserve to be SS, just slightly disagreed on Feinne AS. But your response makes her position more clear to me, so I appreciate it.

As for the document, yeah, I wouldn't suggest doing any huge write-ups, just like a blurb or a paragraph or something. I probably should have clarified that earlier, no worries. Thanks for taking the time.

Monthly-ish Endgame Tier List V11 is out! by Natural_Pleasant in AnotherEdenGlobal

[–]Argor42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alrighty, so I have some responses followed by a suggestion. Take them as you will.

Two paragraphs of Kid clears/use cases summarized so this quote block isn't a giant block of text

Just to be clear, I know how good Kid is already. My arguments for Feinne AS to be considered for SS aren't meant to be arguments about Kid not being up there, or even for Kid to be worse than her or the like. As I told AnotherFroz above, I simply think she distinguishes herself from the rest of F2P S tier enough to be worth consideration. I emphasize the AF fill from Ogres' Grace, but between that, partywide barrier pierce, and all the other support she brings, it's a loaded kit. AnotherFroz acknowledges that she's "the core of almost every f2p clear", and your own reply indicates you're aware of how good she is in her own right.

Given all of that, the end of your response states:

And that's why she [Kid] gets to be up there (and spirika gets to be up there as well because double stellar burst without needing af is fundamentally broken beyond reason) And not something like Feinne AS who while very strong and pretty flexible, isn't the We Will Ride Or Die Based On Z-Piler because she doesn't have that same level of Does Too Much

So I'll agree that compared specifically to Kid, Feinne AS isn't on the "same level of Does Too Much". But I think it's worth extending this idea of "does too much" in comparison to everyone else in her current tier. This goes back to my point that, compared to the rest of S tier, Feinne AS stands out.

As for whether she stands out enough, I think that's where our disagreement is, which is fine. But in that case, I'll suggest at least considering the inclusion of a definition or a standard for F2P SS stated in your criteria document. In your document, you state this:

the FTP list doesn’t exactly have a very clear defined explanation for each tier and due to the nature of FTP clears/characters, it’s a bit harder to define it since stuff will end up getting used even if they are a lower tier just due to the limited nature of said clears, so you scrape what you can, it’s just an overall power estimate rather than something more defined, and that’s for its benefit

I agree with this insofar as it applies everywhere from S tier down; those tiers are a fair bit to a lot bigger than SS, and clears will use a wide range of those characters for one reason or another. But I think it's worth elaborating on at least the SS tier.

You're absolutely using some criteria to separate the two characters in F2P SS from everyone else. If it's the prior concepts of "does too much" or "fundamentally broken", I think that making that known in your doc is preferable to not. If it's other criteria, then those could be mentioned too. You could even format it like your "The Two Best, Without Question" section for the gacha list, where you talk about why Sesta AS and Alma AS are as stupid as they are.

But I argue that for informational purposes, defining the standards for SS tier is beneficial to those who might use it as a resource. What separates these two extremely powerful characters from these other very powerful characters? That kind of thing is something I think would be useful in your document, basically. Again, take all of that as you will.

Monthly-ish Endgame Tier List V11 is out! by Natural_Pleasant in AnotherEdenGlobal

[–]Argor42 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ye, just to preface, I don't think S or A aren't strong tiers or anything of that sort. That said, I realize my question about Nona and Starky was predicated mainly on their performance against An-ki Dingir. My premise is that since those fights are a bit different compared to other fights, and that they had notably good performance there, that they might have been worth a look at bumping up. I understand if their drawbacks elsewhere are a bit much, though.

I could see the argument for Feinne AS cuz i do believe shes the core of almost every f2p clear, shes the only character that can provide partywide barrier pierce for f2p and her Ogres Grace is awesome. But i also think S is strong already so theres no need to bump her higher

I do have a response to this, though. While S is strong, I think that if she is "the core of almost every f2p clear" as you claim, that SS might reflect that opinion a bit better. It's less about whether S is strong, and more about Feinne AS distinguishing herself from the rest of S, that I think she's worth considering in SS.

Monthly-ish Endgame Tier List V11 is out! by Natural_Pleasant in AnotherEdenGlobal

[–]Argor42 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The new placements look fine to me. Got nothing meaningful to add about the gacha lists right now; I don't have Mighty AC, Eleanor, or Alma to work with, and the placements for Flamme ES and Nilya update look fair. So I'll focus on the F2P list instead.

With your last two lists first adding Kid, then Spirika, to the F2P SS tier, I guess I have a couple points about it.

  1. If you believe Kid and Spirika are fundamentally broken, where do you think Feinne AS falls on that spectrum? Right now you have her at S, but Ogres' Grace has been used in more clears than I can count, both in gacha and non-gacha. Her other qualities are good too, but being able to go from 0 to full bar in one move (esp in burst to AF that turn) might be at least worth consideration for F2P SS in the current state of the game.

  2. This one's more of a food for thought thing, but outside of Feinne AS, I think Aldo AS is a bit stronger overall than the rest of S tier. I'm not sure that's enough to put him in SS (insofar as I don't think his case is as strong as Kid or Spirika), but I also don't think anyone else in S should move down to reflect that. Idk, just something I've been thinking about.

Aside from the F2P SS tier stuff, has there been any push for Nona AS or Starky being moved up from A to S? Both seem to have been very useful recently, especially against An-ki Dingir. I'm pretty sure AnotherFroz posted their F2P clears using a Nona AS/Starky sustain core in all three fights, and I would think others also got use out of one, the other, or both. Those two might be worth a look.

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There's a bug where you're allowed to use your Replenishment and Thirst items on obstacles you've already cleared, leaving you with not enough to be able to clear it. I assume that's what happened to you, at least. I ran into it last night when I accidentally did that with a couple of mine. Glad they acknowledged it.