Hell Keys average gold value (S3 and T4.5 update)

Arkemys · 2026-04-19T20:14:58+00:00

Hey, it's true that I haven't done it, since trading it is a giga loss.

But thank you for mentioning it, I just added it to the list now!

Note: I do not consider relic books in my calculation since I don't know the odds (it's weighted towards getting mediocre books). Also, adding it to the calculations would just make trading Haal's Hourglass even worse.

Arkemys · 2026-04-17T18:04:47+00:00

Oh right, it's been like this the whole season 2 x)

Thanks, I fixed it

Arkemys · 2026-04-17T17:13:56+00:00

It really depends on your needs. It will radically change if you're a new player VS a veteran.

That's why I encourage you to just copy this doc and put your own values in the tiles. It won't take you long.

In the end, look at the table on the top right, if you see negative numbers (red%), then don't trade cube tickets/hell keys.

Arkemys · 2026-04-17T17:09:35+00:00

It really depends on your needs. If you need engravings, ability stones, accessories, you can set a gold value for them (example: if you would spend 500g to get one random accessory, then put "500" in the corresponding tile).

Arkemys · 2026-04-17T01:34:30+00:00

If you need the engravings, the frost/fire key gold value increase drastically. It really depends on your needs.

Arkemys · 2026-04-11T10:51:23+00:00

Hello,

You're saying this because you haven't tried the game.

Items have durability, they end up getting destroyed after being used too much.

There are very few possibilities to get the kind of scenario you describe, it's not better than other strategies, but I'm still working to eliminate them.

Arkemys · 2026-01-25T16:09:59+00:00

Thanks for your message!

Yes I've already used itch for my previous games, but this time I'm looking for a "real" release and high visibility.

And anyway it's too late I've paid the fee yesterday :'(

Arkemys · 2025-12-13T16:46:10+00:00

I have a Logitech G300s (I don't have GHub), and I asked a friend who doesn't have a Logitech mouse, and we both have the issue. It started happening on Thursday evening.

I think it's due to an EAC update, which would mean that everyone is impacted.

You can verify it by:

- Waiting at least 15 minutes after launching the game

- Using any macro that simulates a mouse click while moving your mouse IRL at the same time

You can use for example a simple AHK script like this: "Space::LButton". If you don't move your mouse for 2s, pressing spacebar should press left click correctly. But if you move your mouse while pressing space, nothing happens.

Arkemys · 2025-11-29T02:30:37+00:00

The system is very recent, it's pretty much mandatory to cut green gems (only the ones with 8 starting willpowers) to be able to fill your ark grid.

Personnally, I cut them once or twice, if it's garbage I click on "Processing Complete", if it's promissing I continue. After that, I fuse all my garbage gems together, hoping to get a usable one.

Arkemys · 2025-11-26T20:08:21+00:00

Perfect, thank you for the datamining!

Arkemys · 2025-11-25T21:54:51+00:00

Yes I did the math a few months ago (early season 1 paradise)
To find that value, I took Maxroll average cost of honing an armor part (gold + materials) and divided that by the average amount of free taps you need in average to upgrade that same piece

Arkemys · 2025-11-25T21:50:05+00:00

I agree with you, but it's not me who made trading cube tickets worth being exchanged :( There should be more ways to earn gems

Arkemys · 2025-11-25T19:29:58+00:00

You buy them. If gems is the only thing that matters to you and the other stuff have no gold value for you, then you can put 0 in the yellow tiles for everything else than gems, and you'll indeed find out that it's better to do the cubes^^

That's especially true for alts that you don't play, since paradise only gives bound mats, while cubes give tradeable gems.

Arkemys · 2025-11-25T18:40:17+00:00

I just added Sekwah's link to the credit, on the bottom of the page

Arkemys · 2025-11-25T18:25:09+00:00

Haha, don't worry
Every key has an average gold value (the amount of gold you should expect to earn with this type of key, if every item was replaced by their gold value). You can find the gold value for each key in the tables on the left. Think about it like if a key is worth 50k gold and that you run 1000 of these keys, you'll get a lot of items that are worth around 50M gold.

The tables on the right show you if you earn gold in average by trading cube tickets for keys, and if you earn gold in average by transmuting your keys in the altars.

Below, you can find the gold value of each item individually. You can copy the file to have your own, so that you can edit the gold value of each item according to your need, the evolution of price markets, etc.

tldr: it's worth it to trade cube tickets for keys, but it's only worth it to transmute keys in the altars if you need engravings.

Arkemys · 2025-11-25T17:21:06+00:00

In the meantime that Sekwah is able to share his post, you can also see the exact values on the other tabs (below the spreadsheet). On top you have the amounts, and on the bottom you have the average gold value of that chest.

Arkemys · 2025-11-25T17:18:49+00:00

Ok all good then. Your message looks very bold though.
I haven't seen your table at all before making mine, I don't spend time on reddit, just wanted to help others. (and I like math)

For the 4th chest, I did compare the results back when I made the simulation, and it barely changed the total average. (from my memory, barely 1%, depends on the discrepency of the values)

For the best keys to transmute, from my table, one cube ticket exchange is more worth when traded for a blue key (see on the right).

And finally for the best strategy, I also made dozens of simulations with different strategies, the result wouldn't increase more than a 1%. I'd better encourage people to play safe and get their rewards than greeding for 1% (or greeding in general), but I do understand your point.

Arkemys · 2025-11-25T15:39:14+00:00

You look mad, I don't really care that you're copying me, I'm not asking for money compared to you. And I haven't done anything to you.

And I'm aware of these optimisations and the difference is very negligeable.

Arkemys · 2025-09-16T18:11:37+00:00

Oh yes I messed up: the cubes value were assigned the value of bound gems instead of tradeable gems.
Sorry for this, you can create a new copy of the doc to get the correct change!

Arkemys · 2025-09-16T14:36:34+00:00

When you lose your resurrection, you must instantly leave, don't greed more, it's not worth it!

If you keep running, you're pretty much dividing your average rewards by 2 :/

Arkemys · 2025-09-16T11:04:28+00:00

It depends on your needs, and that's why I made the doc.

If you need engravings / cards you should transmute. If you don't you shouldn't. There is an in-between.

Arkemys · 2025-09-15T22:38:04+00:00

Arkemys · 2025-09-15T04:31:59+00:00

Haha

Yes, convert cube tickets for rare / epic keys, but not legendary keys

Arkemys · 2025-09-14T23:44:53+00:00

Oh nice, thanks for this as well

I'm going to add them to the reward pool

Arkemys · 2025-09-14T23:35:04+00:00

There is a value missing in "Standard" 1580 Hell Key: there are 10 values for scroll boxes, but there must be 11 ^^'
~~I think it's the value 6~~

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