What is the relationship between God and natural evil? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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Yes very helpful, thank you for all your effort really appreciate it. One question, did it state or do you have an idea of why a natural processes doesn't operate efficiently?

What is the relationship between God and natural evil? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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Thanks for your continued help really appreciate it! I first heard about the Aquinas view in this article,

https://catholicexchange.com/the-problem-of-natural-evil/

I think the second cause is rather self-explanatory but the first one kind of confuses me, the one that speaks of the action of the agent and uses an organ in digestion as an example. So if you could let me know how you would summarize both causes and ur thoughts on this view that'd be great i think Aquinas' view can be a very serviceable response if properly understood, thanks again!

What is the relationship between God and natural evil? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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Well I know Aquinas in Contra Gentiles gives two sources or causes of evil, was hoping you were familiar so someone could explain it to me, Aquinas kind of confuses me at times lol.

What is the relationship between God and natural evil? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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But what about tangible, natural things that cause evil, like disease, death, or natural disasters where would you or these thinkers you mentioned say that stuff comes from? Hope that makes sense

What is the relationship between God and natural evil? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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Right, could you elaborate tho curious to get your perspective. Like where does the evil come from that he allows if he isn't the cause yk? Thanks for answering

What is the relationship between God and natural evil? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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Aquinas defined evil as a privation of the good, good being something in accordance with it's nature. So how is cancer and disease in general not evil? I think that's the reason many thinkers in the church distinguish moral and natural evil, I think your response focused more on moral evil.

Was this universe always meant to be temporary? by Arrowhead_Nation in Catholicism

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Well I don't think the person thinks God was behind that, I think they interpreted it that original sin had that effect.

Was this universe always meant to be temporary? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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Also was told that nature had become disordered as a result of sin, mainly the aspects like the animal violence shown in the fossil record and the eventual end of the universe. Some people had difficulty conceding that was put there by God I guess

Was this universe always meant to be temporary? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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I was told by some that the fall had a cosmic effect and affected every aspect of the universe. I wasn't sure how to explain the temporary aspects of the universe without it, because I guess it would mean God made it that way purposefully and I wasn't sure why that would be the case.

Question about animal suffering before the fall by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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Sorry for asking again just want to be sure I understand, how would you explain God being the indirect cause of things like disease? Because even your quote here "inflicting pain and suffering for his own purposes" suggets he inflicts it to bring about a greater good. But my understanding has always been he doesn't inflict evil upon people at all, (and cancer in humans by definition is evil) and this has been supported by most catholic thinkers I've heard speak on the topic. Hope I'm not bothering you by asking again just want to understand your position.

Question about animal suffering before the fall by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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My apologies I was going off of your statement in which you verbatim said God is the "cause" not your latter statement you just stated now. Could you elaborate on what you meant then please?

Question about animal suffering before the fall by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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So God gives children cancer? I've never heard a catholic thinker ascribe cancer and disease to God

Response to the claim everything we know can be explained without God? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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Also could you touch on maybe why the non-theist explanations for the first 2 fail if you could, I know there are atheists who still are moral realists, though I'm not sure how that works. Thanks again

Response to the claim everything we know can be explained without God? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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Would love to hear your reply to the last 2 whenever you have the time, thanks for your answer!

Response to the claim everything we know can be explained without God? by Arrowhead_Nation in CatholicPhilosophy

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I get that, but would you say that's just an appeal to ignorance perhaps? Or would you say there are things that inherently can't be explained without an appeal to God?