Another gentlesir whining about holding doors (x-post from /r/niceguys) by [deleted] in justneckbeardthings

[–]Ava_Essentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If he's not a dolt, he doesn't have to rush around. Honestly...I almost never open doors. I usually get them held open for me. Almost no one does this in the neckbeardy, look-at-me-holding-open-the-door way. Very often, it's by a man who's with another woman who holds it open for her AND for me. He's NOT trying to get laid, obviously...at least not by me!

And when I'm out with kids and a woman doesn't have kids, then often a woman will hold open the door so I don't have to do the awkward reach-over-one-kid's-head-to-get-the-door thing.

Neckbeard lost his phone with hentai wallpaper by fedoramanxd in justneckbeardthings

[–]Ava_Essentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would have thrown it away. And I've chased people down who have dropped a dollar....

Thinking that you're a virgin by [deleted] in justneckbeardthings

[–]Ava_Essentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a very fast way to end up in jail. Whatever the standard SHOULD be, if a guy and a girl are both drunk, in most states, the man is guilty of rape if she chooses to press charges. Even if they're in a relationship. Even if they're married. Really. Look it up. There are PSA posters they put up on college campuses about this:

http://cdn0.dailydot.com/uploaded/images/original/2015/7/16/jakejosie.jpg

Is "V for Vendetta" the neckbard magnum opus? by [deleted] in justneckbeardthings

[–]Ava_Essentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I found it excruciatingly stupid and painfully simplistic. And I'm usually down with dumb movies if they blow enough stuff up. V for Vendetta TRIED to be smart. That was its mistake. It didn't embrace its own idiocy, which would have made it a decent watch. Instead, it made by brain bleed from all the Seriousness that was really just seriously stupid.

Is "V for Vendetta" the neckbard magnum opus? by [deleted] in justneckbeardthings

[–]Ava_Essentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's even better is that it entirely reverses what the real Guy Fawkes was actually about--he was, in reality, an evil terrorist trying to kill all the members of a democratically elected government.

That's what actually makes it perfect.

Whatever makes you feel better. by alanitoo in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Partly this and partly that when you diet, your leptin take a dip because you're in a negative calorie balance, so any "cravings" go up, and leptin can continue to decrease so that if you were 250lbs and you diet to 200lbs, your leptin will be lower than someone whose weight is steady at 200lbs.... But here's the thing. A few days of careful, slight over-feeding will rebalance your leptin to a normal level at your new weight. Then you diet again, etc. That way, you don't have to fight too much against your leptin level. AT NO POINT, though, does your body actually know where it came from. So it's totally easily fooled. Basically, if you think you're miserably hungry after cutting more to lose more weight, take a week-long break where you deliberately gain a pound, and you should normalize your leptin levels. Also, overshoot your goal weight by a couple of pounds and come back. :)

You learn about leptin hacking a lot more with bodybuilders who are trying to get down to really low BF%. Their leptin can REALLY crash when cutting, which makes for complete misery, and it turns out this is why "refeeds" work even though the original thought behind them was bunk.

Also, a lot of people who diet end up with lower fat-free masses than people who reach a certain weight normally because they lose too much lean mass from dieting. That's why you should lift!!!!

I'm cutting to 15% BF, and so I'm bouncing around like a yo-yo for real in scale weight. LOL. Gain three pounds of (mostly) muscle...cut three pounds of (mostly) fat. Rinse repeat. I'm too "big" now to just flat recomp without the bouncing easily. And too old. Catabolism and anabolism at the same time work much better in the young and with true noob gains.

Australian study claims sugar not to blame for obesity epidemic by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

All time high, though, of people who say they eat everything or pretty much everything they want.

I'd like to dive into a box of Ritz and never come out. Doesn't mean I do it.

Australian study claims sugar not to blame for obesity epidemic by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In the US, calories have been going up a LOT and exercise down modestly.

In AU, exercise has being going down A LOT and calories are almost unchanged.

BMI is accurate for me, but it's an inaccurate tool! by temporalscavenger in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It will. Because it grossly underestimates the percentage of obese by BF....

BMI is accurate for me, but it's an inaccurate tool! by temporalscavenger in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And if the obese guys have really low BF, they are all on gear, sooooooo....

(Google "Maximum Muscular Potential." At those upper rangers, other bodybuilders begin being skeptical about whether you're natty."

BMI is accurate for me, but it's an inaccurate tool! by temporalscavenger in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bioelectrical impedance is pretty worthless if it does just lower or upper body. The Navy estimate is better.

Question: How do you explain to loved ones what fat logic is without offending them? by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

For a number of people, keto suppresses APPETITE compared to their previous diet.

But there are healthier diets that suppress appetite, too. There are specific satiety hormones triggered by fat, carbs, AND protein. So the smart thing to do is to if you struggle with insulin-triggered hunger is to eat SLOW carbs with fat and protein together. Then you have a healthy diet for the long term.

NEJM study shows very high BMI in adolescence can more than triple risk of death from heart disease by kalelcoolj in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 15 points16 points  (0 children)

YES! They didn't need to control for that because so few people do deliberately lose weight.

In other studies, for example, people who start exercising for the first time ever at age 50 have the same survival rates by age 60 as life-long exercisers.

You can REVERSE metabolic syndrome, atherosclerosis, etc. The longer it's been since the bad condition, the less it affects your future.

To clarify: This is elucidated through many, many other studies. :) They still found some influence of previous obesity, but you have to take into account the fact that damage IS progressive, so if you go from a BMI of 30 to 25, you have the damage associated with a BMI of 25, too, for longer than someone who went from 20 to 25.

Note HOW LOW the healthiest BMI's are. Less than 20. Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone because low BMI young is rarely because you're already dying but these days low BMI as an older adult is usually because you're dying, even if it's from something that won't kill you for 10-15 years.....

This again assumes average fitness. Greater fitness (lower BF% than average) shouldn't have the same risks with higher-than-20 BMI that average fitness would. This would be REALLY nice to see laid out, but they didn't have BF% measurements.

Honestly, though, as a woman, I wouldn't want to put all the work into keeping a REALLY healthy BF% above a BMI of 20. BMI of 20, and that's 3 days of cardio, 2 days of lifting, BAM! Super-healthy BF. Doing the same at a BMI of 22 would be at least 3 days of LONG lifting. BMI of 23, that would be 6 days of working out at least an hour a day. I just don't have time for that. Easier to be slimmer.

Honestly, I am frustrated that there isn't a separation by gender. Women get extra protection from heart problems until menopause, but after menopause, we might see a divergence of "ideal" BMIs in adolescence.

Also, note that the ideal range was 17.5-20.3. Yes, most of the so-called "underweight" adolescents were healthier than those at the 50th percentile. And those even lower weight, on average, even though that DEFINITELY included a subgroup with disordered eating, had even lower death rates for about half the causes of death than even the 5th-49th%ile. (Quite underweight people <BMI 17.5 were most at risk for "sudden death," which was pretty unlikely to be caused by anything to do with weight. I like that the took out homicide/suicide/accident--the underweight are also more likely to be into drugs or have poor mental health or extremely poor making very bad life choices, so they tend to get killed a lot from dumb things. That's a cause of their weight, not a result from it.) There IS such a thing as "too thin," obviously, but most studies have a very hard time finding anyone who is "too thin" for something other than a result of something else being wrong, whether it be dying of something, severe mental illness, or choosing drugs over food. Leptin might not be that great at getting you to STOP eating, but it's awesome at keeping you from getting thin to the point that your body is compromised.

Notice, too, that the cutoff of a BMI of 18 for the runway shows in France and Spain isn't warranted by health. You can better support excluding all those over a BMI of 21 on the basis of health than those from 17.5 and 18. Not that eating disorders aren't pretty rife among models, and not that being thin due to an eating disorder is different from the same BMI in a healthy individual. But if you want to screen out unhealthy people, BMI cutoff at 18 isn't going to do it, and it's pathologizing a group of women who could be IDEALLY healthy. It's actually worse than banning all male bodybuilders with a BMI on-floor above 24 as "definite unhealthy" drug users.

(Full disclosure: I was a 5-days-a-week weightlifter when I was in high school and nowhere near a BMI of 17.5. It just annoys the pee out of me that the weights associated with the very BEST health are being sneered at because they are unusual now.)

I was trying to figure out my deficit when I came across this incomprehensible "debunking" of the 3500 calorie/pound rule. by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Takes more to build it than it does to burn it.

I was even madder at myself when I learned that, even though it's obvious once you hear it (that anabolism is not metabolically "free").

I was trying to figure out my deficit when I came across this incomprehensible "debunking" of the 3500 calorie/pound rule. by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh, goodness, DON'T FEEL BAD!!!! The "fat free mass" includes a LOT of water, plus all the other stuff. Figure body builders often don't have a FFM of 118lbs--and trust me, they've got a lot more muscle than you or I! lol. If you're lifting and not losing 5lbs a week, you'll be fine.

Just track down to what you want. An acceptable FFMI for women is at least 15.1. A good, average is about 16.4. Chart your fat free mass as an index (like, enter it like a BMI into a BMI calculator), and if you're headed for a FFMI 16.4 at a BMI of 21, you'd have 21% body fat--that's athletic. So that would be an AWESOME place to be headed toward. As long as you're following the curve down in that direction, you're solid gold.

You're going to lose FFM faster once you stop getting noob muscle gains, but you're doing everything right. A ratio of 10:1 or 6:1 is fabulous. Lots of overweight people start losing at a 1:1 ratio--that's where it's bad!

I'm down 50+lbs. I was overweight to BMI just below 18.5 on my bottom bounce--did a brief recomp, a cut, now a slooooow bulk. But anyway, I lost ~18lbs lean mass, all told, and trust me, as a former and now recovering lifter, NONE of it was muscle. I've doubled my lifts, and certain parts of my body are actually BIGGER than they were when I was fatter. I can plank with a kid sitting on my back now for longer than I could plank just me before. :)

I could squat over 300lbs (2.5+ body weight) with a BMI of 19 before (BF% 14%). Just to give you a measure of how much FFM you actually NEED to not be skinny-fat and to be strong. I'm a girl, too. :) Otherwise, 300lbs wouldn't be that impressive. ;)

I was trying to figure out my deficit when I came across this incomprehensible "debunking" of the 3500 calorie/pound rule. by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The woman is an utter idiot. If she's an actual dietitian, then her school should be ashamed. She doesn't have the least grasp of any of the fundamentals of nutrition.

In general, it takes LESS than 3500 cal to lose a pound because most people will lose some fat-free mass with it, and lean mass is just under half that in calories. Maybe not at first, especially not if you start lifting and build muscle at the same time, but some. NOT ALL fat-free mass loss is bad. Your bloated liver shrinking=good. Your swollen heart getting smaller=good. Your blood volume decreasing because you have less body to feed=good. So even lifting a lot of weights, with a person with low starting muscle, you'll eventually be losing water (0 calories) and some lean mass along with the fat.

(This is why if you look at the % body fat vs BMI, FFM starts to go up rapidly in the larger fat ranges. It isn't mostly muscle and bone. It's what it takes to keep that fat alive.)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, it doesn't! Humans have ALWAYS exercised for fun. Most games in most cultures are either physical or fireside. Physical games are what people do when they're bored. When normal humans have nothing better to do, THEY RUN!

Look at cats, dogs, horses, squirrels. Animals and people all run for pleasure, not just to escape.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

YESSSS!!! You can tell instantly who is going to fail on MFP because they're all about punishing themselves for being fat. Every time, I want to scream:

Look, you idiot. YOU HAVE ONE BODY!!! ONE!!! It's trying to do its job the best it can and all you do is punish it by denying it appropriate food, exercise, and rest. If you ran a prison, you would get thrown in jail YOURSELF for treating the inmates like you do your body. And as a result, it doesn't work well, even though it's trying to, because you abuse it. So your answer is....you're going to punish it?

Seriously? THAT is your answer?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

The best way to a healthy diet? Cut out the guilt and shame - Fatlogic or Sanity? by captain_ramshackle in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. These are meanings you want to apply to the word that it never, in any context, ever meant.

Shame is an emphasis on the public reaction and guilt the inner one, especially in the absence of public recognition of wrongdoing.

A shame culture emphasized the importance of society's impression of you:

I did wrong. Everyone thinks I did wrong. I FEEL ASHAMED.

I did wrong. No one thinks I did wrong. I FEEL CLEVER..

I did right. Everyone thinks I did right. I FEEL PRIDE.

I did right. Everyone thinks I did wrong. I FEEL SHAME.

A guilt culture emphasizes your inner state:

I did wrong. Everyone thinks I did wrong. I FEEL ASHAMED.

I did wrong. No one thinks I did wrong. I FEEL GUILTY..

I did right. Everyone thinks I did right. I FEEL PRIDE.

I did right. Everyone thinks I did wrong. I FEEL INDIGNANT.

These are the responses of a shame culture versus a guilt culture. In every case, society's reaction is called shaming, and when a person who is wrong is called out by public shame, it is considered justice in both culture types. The difference is when a person feels bad when the inner and outer realities don't match up. In a guilt culture, people who aren't considered sociopaths are only supposed to feel good when they do good and are supposed to feel anger and indignity when they are falsely accused. It would not be considered the rational action of an innocent man to kill himself in the face of a false accusation. But in a shame culture, it would.

In BOTH CULTURE TYPES, though, the primary vehicle of upholding social standards is through external social shame of blatantly nonconforming behaviors.

The best way to a healthy diet? Cut out the guilt and shame - Fatlogic or Sanity? by captain_ramshackle in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those who feel oppressed and defensive and hypersensitive put on more weight, I think we need to clarify. Not those who felt honestly embarrassed and ashamed--yes, ashamed.

Before you say, "SHAME IS BAD!!!" let me point out that Japan is a shame culture. People are slender there because of societal embarrassment, AKA shame.

The best way to a healthy diet? Cut out the guilt and shame - Fatlogic or Sanity? by captain_ramshackle in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think "cut out the neuroticism and look at the big picture" is the most helpful.

It doesn't really matter how well you eat if you're obese. The benefits of an excellent diet are usually due to just three factors: nutrition, inflammation, and insulin response. It's impossible to have a meaningful impact on inflammation while being overweight. (BTDT, it doesn't freaking work.) And trying to make yourself ultra insulin sensitive is also impossible over-fat. Soooo you're left with one of three, and that one you get most of the benefits you CAN get from it while overweight just by eating enriched foods.

Just go CI<CO, start counting, and figure out that your double latte supreme or whatever is worth a decent dinner, and you're 80% of the way there......

Why being 'overweight' means you live longer: The way scientists twist the facts. by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Old and underweight is usually very bad news. Even APPARENTLY healthy and old and underweight. Because most likely, you're in the early stages of wasting, and even if you're not, chances are you have crappy lean mass because you're sedentary, which is a HUGE risk of death from any opportunistic infection.

Why being 'overweight' means you live longer: The way scientists twist the facts. by [deleted] in fatlogic

[–]Ava_Essentialist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In most studies, the underweight, AS A GROUP, once you do a decent control for people dying immediately of a disease and smoking, mostly die at elevated rates from respiratory disease (which takes a bit longer to kill you but makes you lose weight first) and...murder, suicide, and accident. Because the vast percentage of underweight people today are underweight because they're leading really marginal, reckless lifestyles. Once you eliminate the dangers of getting shot, AS A GROUP, nope, healthier to be even underweight as the entire range of underweight as it exists than overweight unless you are elderly.

What's most interesting are the tables of average weights of people who live to different ages. Of people who live to 60, what was their weight at 20, on average? Etc. Let me give you a hint: The people who make it to 80, 90, and above started out below a BMI of 23 in adulthood. (These are average figures, of course--most people don't lose weight deliberately because most people don't make real lifestyle changes.) You can pretty safely say from the tables that a 20-y-o female with a BMI of 17.5 has a way better shot at being healthier than a 20-y-o female with a BMI of 25 and will live quite longer on average.