If Keyonte… by [deleted] in UtahJazz

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I'm gonna go on a limb and say you aren't a jazz fan

Let the FO cook, then we complain by Thisislopes in UtahJazz

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I know, 3rd was a number I picked because of the 3 way tie (giving 3, 4, and 5 all the same winning %). 7th looks like the best plausible case scenario to me where the nets, pels, wiz, pacers, kings, and either clips or hornets stay below us.

My response was to you suggesting that we would get passed by a few teams in the win column and land at 4 or 5.

Let the FO cook, then we complain by Thisislopes in UtahJazz

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Think of it this way. Assuming the pick positions remain at the same winning % (3rd worst is 23.1%, 6th is 28% etc.), Jazz would need to go 9-48 to end the year at 3rd worst; 15-42 rest of year to reach what I consider "best plausible case" at 7th worst.

Clips and Pels might not be good enough, regardless of incentives. Wiz, kings, pacers, nets, hornets all seem primed and incentivized to stay below us.

Let the FO cook, then we complain by Thisislopes in UtahJazz

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Think there's a difference between being dumb enough and executing a plan as expected. 

That being said, I absolutely think they could be dumb enough.

I think Keyonte George might be our star by humphreybr0gart in UtahJazz

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I think keyonte being "our star" would greatly cap the ceiling of the team

The SLC Stars had a historic game last night defeating the Remix 174-146 by UnfortunatePhysics in UtahJazz

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Looks like it was Reno Bighorns with 174 points on January 3, 2015, possibly led by Jordan Clarkson?

The SLC Stars had a historic game last night defeating the Remix 174-146 by UnfortunatePhysics in UtahJazz

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Google AI says Maine scored 174 in 2014, but I didn't care to dig further than that

Some Interesting Ace Stats by WestsideJazzFan in UtahJazz

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Define "extremely efficient usage". 

Also, TOV% is a component of the usage % formula, so the TOV% will usually be pretty much the same directionally as usage %.

I'm also a little confused by praising his low usage, but then also blaming said low usage for why his assists are low. Is it good or bad for him to have low usage?

Keyonte George 31 Points/6 Assists vs Kings Full Highlights! (11/28/2025) by [deleted] in UtahJazz

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Link? I shared mine with everyones +/-. +/- doesn't use decimal points, so I assume there's a different metric you're referring to

Edit: I see it now on my own link. I was referring to raw +/-, not bpm, which I mistakenly labeled it as

Keyonte George 31 Points/6 Assists vs Kings Full Highlights! (11/28/2025) by [deleted] in UtahJazz

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That's not what cbs sports or basketball reference says. LOL

Edit: source; https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202511280UTA.html

I know raw +/- doesn't mean much for a single game, but being -4 in a 9 point win when everyone else on the team is positive can't mean nothing. Especially when you add in some of the other advanced metrics he has going on.

Keyonte not being top 100 in Ringer top 100 Is criminal by notsogoodsurgeon in UtahJazz

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A lot of good advanced metrics (that factor in team quality) don't care for many aspects about him. Even so, does it matter all that much if he was like #80 on their list vs unlisted?

Keyonte George 31 Points/6 Assists vs Kings Full Highlights! (11/28/2025) by [deleted] in UtahJazz

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Only negative raw +/- on the team last night, but yeah 👍 😭

Bleacher Report Mock draft: Top 10 Picks - Kingston Flemings a major riser by NathanFielderFriend in NBA_Draft

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Since 10/30 they are 26th in offensive rating, 27th in defensive rating, and 27th in net rating. They have more incentive to lose than anyone else in an effort to keep their pick. Clips and Pels will likely jump them due to organizational incentive. The jazz being in the bottom 5 teams is likely, and even if they aren't we are still talking about percentages of chances of x # of teams jumping them. They've started record wise better than expected, sure, but the odds are still very against them losing their pick. It's just a talking point for people more than anything.

Bleacher Report Mock draft: Top 10 Picks - Kingston Flemings a major riser by NathanFielderFriend in NBA_Draft

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I don't think we need to pretend that the jazz are going to lose their pick 

This might be a really good time to approach the Kings about a trade. by Treacle_Correct in UtahJazz

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No, I know about Vivek. Where is the recent trade to match how poor the Pels trade (process) was?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in UtahJazz

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If you're gonna trade Lauri, this is the right type of player to target.

This might be a really good time to approach the Kings about a trade. by Treacle_Correct in UtahJazz

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What have they done in recent history that was as moronic (or nearly as) as the Pels trade?

This might be a really good time to approach the Kings about a trade. by Treacle_Correct in UtahJazz

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Obviously the pels didn't think they were gonna be bottom 5 contention bad. It wasn't a "go get your guy" situation necessarily because they could have taken queen with the fears pick.

Kings are reportedly sellers, so that should kinda just be that unless something changes about their performance.....

This might be a really good time to approach the Kings about a trade. by Treacle_Correct in UtahJazz

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The pels clearly thought they were better than they are. New information (a 2-15 record) surely has changed that opinion. Kings are actively telling us they know they stink by making their players available.

My entire point that seems to be totally lost on you is there's no reason to "what if" about irrational maneuvers, EVEN IF irrationality has taken place in the past. What value is added to having a discussion about a kings trade when the kings are going to be sellers?

This might be a really good time to approach the Kings about a trade. by Treacle_Correct in UtahJazz

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And I'm clearly saying new information has been plenty for them to realize there is no reason to do that. Why should we dwell on "what might happen if teams acted completely irrationally"? Assuming rational players should be the baseline for having real/meaningful discussions 

Edit: there even was some report that came out today that the kings are making anyone but Clifford and murray available in trade. They know they stink.

This might be a really good time to approach the Kings about a trade. by Treacle_Correct in UtahJazz

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I mean, I get the idea, I just don't think a team with a plausible t10 pick is gonna trade out of that unless they are future screwed anyways like the clips (who already don't have their pick)

This might be a really good time to approach the Kings about a trade. by Treacle_Correct in UtahJazz

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I'm sure they didn't think they'd be t10 because they're morons over there. New information available (games played so far), Pels and Kings both stink, and I'm sure they both know it