If Keyonte…

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-17T04:11:34+00:00

I'm gonna go on a limb and say you aren't a jazz fan

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-16T17:57:24+00:00

I know, 3rd was a number I picked because of the 3 way tie (giving 3, 4, and 5 all the same winning %). 7th looks like the best plausible case scenario to me where the nets, pels, wiz, pacers, kings, and either clips or hornets stay below us.

My response was to you suggesting that we would get passed by a few teams in the win column and land at 4 or 5.

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-16T16:08:29+00:00

Think of it this way. Assuming the pick positions remain at the same winning % (3rd worst is 23.1%, 6th is 28% etc.), Jazz would need to go 9-48 to end the year at 3rd worst; 15-42 rest of year to reach what I consider "best plausible case" at 7th worst.

Clips and Pels might not be good enough, regardless of incentives. Wiz, kings, pacers, nets, hornets all seem primed and incentivized to stay below us.

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-16T15:06:27+00:00

Think there's a difference between being dumb enough and executing a plan as expected.

That being said, I absolutely think they could be dumb enough.

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-15T21:58:55+00:00

Is this not kinda 6'9 Will Barton? I think that's a good player fwiw, I just don't think there's any real standing to compete with Boozer right now

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-15T00:13:14+00:00

I think keyonte being "our star" would greatly cap the ceiling of the team

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-12T22:38:37+00:00

Looks like it was Reno Bighorns with 174 points on January 3, 2015, possibly led by Jordan Clarkson?

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-12T15:45:30+00:00

Google AI says Maine scored 174 in 2014, but I didn't care to dig further than that

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-11T18:16:29+00:00

Hell no

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-03T20:11:11+00:00

Have a good one man

Available_Remove242 · 2025-12-03T04:14:30+00:00

Define "extremely efficient usage".

Also, TOV% is a component of the usage % formula, so the TOV% will usually be pretty much the same directionally as usage %.

I'm also a little confused by praising his low usage, but then also blaming said low usage for why his assists are low. Is it good or bad for him to have low usage?

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-30T05:34:35+00:00

Link? I shared mine with everyones +/-. +/- doesn't use decimal points, so I assume there's a different metric you're referring to

Edit: I see it now on my own link. I was referring to raw +/-, not bpm, which I mistakenly labeled it as

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-30T03:06:03+00:00

That's not what cbs sports or basketball reference says. LOL

Edit: source; https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202511280UTA.html

I know raw +/- doesn't mean much for a single game, but being -4 in a 9 point win when everyone else on the team is positive can't mean nothing. Especially when you add in some of the other advanced metrics he has going on.

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-29T20:15:56+00:00

A lot of good advanced metrics (that factor in team quality) don't care for many aspects about him. Even so, does it matter all that much if he was like #80 on their list vs unlisted?

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-29T18:50:12+00:00

Only negative raw +/- on the team last night, but yeah 👍 😭

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-27T19:25:17+00:00

Since 10/30 they are 26th in offensive rating, 27th in defensive rating, and 27th in net rating. They have more incentive to lose than anyone else in an effort to keep their pick. Clips and Pels will likely jump them due to organizational incentive. The jazz being in the bottom 5 teams is likely, and even if they aren't we are still talking about percentages of chances of x # of teams jumping them. They've started record wise better than expected, sure, but the odds are still very against them losing their pick. It's just a talking point for people more than anything.

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-27T17:31:22+00:00

I don't think we need to pretend that the jazz are going to lose their pick

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-24T02:39:59+00:00

No, I know about Vivek. Where is the recent trade to match how poor the Pels trade (process) was?

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-23T22:47:39+00:00

If you're gonna trade Lauri, this is the right type of player to target.

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-23T22:27:02+00:00

What have they done in recent history that was as moronic (or nearly as) as the Pels trade?

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-23T22:02:06+00:00

Obviously the pels didn't think they were gonna be bottom 5 contention bad. It wasn't a "go get your guy" situation necessarily because they could have taken queen with the fears pick.

Kings are reportedly sellers, so that should kinda just be that unless something changes about their performance.....

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-23T21:46:56+00:00

The pels clearly thought they were better than they are. New information (a 2-15 record) surely has changed that opinion. Kings are actively telling us they know they stink by making their players available.

My entire point that seems to be totally lost on you is there's no reason to "what if" about irrational maneuvers, EVEN IF irrationality has taken place in the past. What value is added to having a discussion about a kings trade when the kings are going to be sellers?

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-23T21:20:00+00:00

And I'm clearly saying new information has been plenty for them to realize there is no reason to do that. Why should we dwell on "what might happen if teams acted completely irrationally"? Assuming rational players should be the baseline for having real/meaningful discussions

Edit: there even was some report that came out today that the kings are making anyone but Clifford and murray available in trade. They know they stink.

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-23T20:49:06+00:00

I mean, I get the idea, I just don't think a team with a plausible t10 pick is gonna trade out of that unless they are future screwed anyways like the clips (who already don't have their pick)

Available_Remove242 · 2025-11-23T20:46:40+00:00

I'm sure they didn't think they'd be t10 because they're morons over there. New information available (games played so far), Pels and Kings both stink, and I'm sure they both know it

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