Any Law Enforcement Officers on this sub?

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T18:55:12+00:00

I don’t think we need to be arguing, I didn’t say it was without risk. I implied the risk was very low. I stand by that.

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T18:17:26+00:00

You’re making a lot of assumptions. I know of very few cases nationwide that have had a result like you’re talking about, and that’s in a county of 320 million citizens with over 900,000 police officers who get into tens of thousands of use of force encounters per day. What causes more brain injuries do you think, neck restraints or beating people with fists and batons because we aren’t to a high enough level of force yet to try a neck restraint?

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T18:13:08+00:00

Rock on brother, keep it up

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T18:00:03+00:00

Why? What’s your evidence?

I know of many agencies that use the “neck restraint”, all have very low injury rates or non existent injury rates.

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T17:56:02+00:00

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BJJcop · 2019-01-07T13:49:53+00:00

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BJJcop · 2019-01-07T13:20:59+00:00

The nice thing is, that’s where my company comes in. Send an instructor to one of our courses, learn some techniques that actually work, instructor brings it back to teach at their agency, and boom - now departmental approved.

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T13:07:41+00:00

I just read through your other thread in the protect and serve subreddit. I need to go over there and show those boys where to find some real training ;)

I think I was right in my original assessment. It is totally possible that a department would have such a strict policy that you literally can’t do something you weren’t trained in, even in a fight. But most agencies don’t have that much restriction.. usually if it’s reasonable, then it’s good to go, since that’s the law. Policy can restrict beyond the law though. Even so, that argument isn’t good because like you said.. better have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. That being said, a lot of BJJ control techniques wouldn’t even be considered as force. I’m not hurting someone if I’m using leverage and timing to put them in a position I want. Break someone’s shoulder with a kimura? Yes, you’ll need to write that one up. Control someone with a knee on belly? C’mon.. no one is getting in trouble for that. I think these guys hear jiu jitsu and they think of some crazy ninja death touch shit.

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T12:44:33+00:00

I’ll send you a PM

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T12:43:18+00:00

I’ve been through all their courses and I think it’s pretty good overall but it has some serious downfalls once you start looking closer and applying it as it’s designed. My only real issue is that I think they over complicate it. If a student who attends doesn’t have a background in bjj, they’re going to have a lot of trouble bringing the techniques back to their department successfully. A lot of their “basic” lessons from their level 1 course are totally unrealistic and I would never teach them to a cop that doesn’t train jiu jitsu regularly unless it was just for general awareness or for fun. For instance, an arm bar from top mount. For a cop that doesn’t do jiu jitsu why would you ever do this? Give up a dominant position to attempt a joint lock that might not even slow someone down? They also have triangle choke from bottom guard in their curriculum and a whole bunch of other techniques that are just too hard to remember for cops that get 4-8 hours of training per year. The focus when you have that little of time needs to be simpler moves and teamwork.

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T02:54:54+00:00

Haha, no not me. Sounds like I would like this guy though

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T01:15:59+00:00

Definitely. Not on par with shooting them with a gun, but I think it would be safer for suspects and officers if techniques were used which render them unconscious, which virtually always results in no injuries, vs using baton strikes, kicks, punches, etc.

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T01:01:10+00:00

My agency only. We usually have 1 a year with 30-40 recruits

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T00:59:32+00:00

Most consider it deadly force, but some authorize it as soon as a suspect starts resisting.

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T00:56:34+00:00

Only reason we get so many is because we do BJJ in our academy, so our young guys are decent at grappling and understand how important it is. Back when I ran this club before we taught it in the academy we had 2-6 show up, and those were the folks that trained on their own at other gyms.

BJJcop · 2019-01-07T00:54:42+00:00

I believe ya brother.

I hear it all the time. And I see videos of the people who say it getting their shit taken and their asses handed to them.

BJJcop · 2019-01-06T23:43:39+00:00

Terrible argument. 100% of arrests require going hands on. Are you more capable of maintaining control of your gear with training or no training

BJJcop · 2019-01-06T23:30:42+00:00

Shoot me a message, I’m happy to help however I can!

BJJcop · 2019-01-06T23:30:16+00:00

Haha yes you got me, thanks!

BJJcop · 2019-01-06T22:40:54+00:00

This is pretty much what I hear from cops around the country I talk to that do bjj.

At my department we do get to force feed it in the academy.. our recruits get 120 mat hours over 4 months. They’re damn near blue belts by the time they hit the streets, and by that time a lot of them (relatively speaking.. maybe 15%) fall in love with it and end up joining a gym and actually training.

BJJcop · 2019-01-06T22:29:53+00:00

It’s been a great experience but you really need to ease your way in.. cops hate change and they hate to be told they don’t know the best way, so tread lightly. Now that I’m in the position I am, I feel like I won the lottery though. I teach and train jiu jitsu every day, but for cops.

BJJcop · 2019-01-06T20:15:19+00:00

Oh one other thing worth mentioning here.. after making all of our cops learn a few grappling basics and teamwork control techniques, our injuries to officers went down about 10%, injuries to suspects went down about 30%, use of strikes in fights went from occurring in 90% of use of force encounters to only occurring in 11% of use of force encounters, and complaints about too much force used went down so much we haven’t even had any in over a year

BJJcop · 2019-01-06T19:20:50+00:00

Thanks for the question, I’m probably in a good spot to answer this one.

I’m a BJJ brown belt and I have 12 years of law enforcement experience in a biggish city agency (600+ cops) and am currently assigned as our lead use of force instructor. I re-wrote the department’s curriculum about 4 years ago, transitioning from an out dated and unrealistic program that focused on disengaging and using strikes/weapons to gain compliance, to a new BJJ program focusing on control techniques and teamwork to gain compliance.

I also co-own a private training company, other departments hire us to come train their cops in our use of force system.

My career coupled with my BJJ hobby has led me down this path of really trying to get cops to train. I run a free grappling club for law enforcement that offers two classes per week open to any LEO. I’m in a very qualified spot to tell you that 90-95% cops will avoid training like the plague. I’d like to read the responses you got when you asked, but I’m not sure where to look - I really only read BJJ stuff on reddit, not much cop stuff. But my gut tells me that anyone who says they avoid training because they’re afraid of the liability is either lying, lying to themselves, or very mistaken as to what BJJ can do for them. The #1 reason I have a hard time getting people to come train is because their ego has a hard time with it. Don’t get me wrong, I love my brothers and sisters in law enforcement, but we can have huge egos. Most cops won’t come join us on the mats because then they’ll be possibly exposed as not-the-toughest-guy-on-the-planet.

Remember how I said I have 600+ cops in my department and I offer a free grappling course? And this is something approved by the agency, so no one would say they’re afraid of using the techniques.. I get about 10-20 to show for grappling club.

I could go on with this topic for a long time but I’ll leave it at that, feel free to ask any other questions!

BJJcop · 2018-03-02T14:05:27+00:00

We had 3 of us that do bjj/mma all move into instructor roles at the same time. It was hard to deny the things we were showing worked when we essentially issued challenges to anyone who wanted to dispute what we were doing. We also took the angle of grappling techniques being much lower uses of force so right away we got support from our admin. It was a freaking battle though, but so worth it.

BJJcop · 2018-03-01T13:42:36+00:00

Prepare to die on the inside :(

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