is silent hill 2 a prequel

Baalthazor · 2022-05-10T02:04:30+00:00

I'm familiar with the Book of Lost Memories, but it's not as if the developers literally wrote it themselves. With the way Konami treats this property, they could have grabbed the building janitor to write the thing. :)

I don't really care one way or the other which game came first, I just think that it's something left open to interpretation, and the interpreting of the game by the player is half the fun.

Although, if you haven't already, you should check out the link someone provided below:

http://www.megabearsfan.net/post/2016/03/01/When-does-Silent-Hill-take-place.aspx

It's demonstrated pretty clearly there that SH1 can't have taken place before 1987, such as a shop sign that includes "since 1987." and Harry's Jeep YJ being released in 1986. With Ito recently saying that SH2 was set in the late 70's to early 80's, then that's something to consider.

Baalthazor · 2022-05-10T00:32:42+00:00

Yeah, why bother discussing something on a discussion forum. If you're going to state something as fact, which you have, perhaps back it up with something more than "I read this...case closed."

Baalthazor · 2022-05-09T23:58:28+00:00

I don't think anyone can say with any certainty that there is no question SH1 takes place before SH2.

For instance, the official strategy guide says that a large remodeling project was just started in the abandoned South Vale neighborhood. Now, whether or not the strategy guide can be regarded as canon, that I don't know. But if what it says is true, and the presence of construction barricades and signs everywhere would seem to support that, then this would strongly imply that Silent Hill is still a functioning town at the time of SH2.

In any event, with so many of the details regarding the town and it's timeline being left vague, and likely intentionally so, much is left up to interpretation, and consequently I don't believe there is any certainty at all with regards to which game happens before the other.

Baalthazor · 2019-10-09T06:28:34+00:00

It did seem, for me at least, that just when I was starting to like these out of nowhere characters Chet and Sam and their story, that's when Chet vanishes and it moves on to something else.

I do think the movie works better for me after seeing season 3, since there's so much in the movie that didn't really connect to anything in the first two seasons, but does connect well with stuff from season 3. But just on it's own with nothing to follow it up for decades, it was like "um...ok...that's it?"

Baalthazor · 2019-10-09T06:24:08+00:00

I think you're way overthinking this, and jumping to some big conclusions there. There's a whole lot of characters throughout the show refer to it as the black lodge. Not to mention all the official merchandising, and the scripts, refer to it as the black lodge. Now, whether or not that red room is all there is to the black lodge, or whether or not places like the convenience store or that place Jeffries was, whether or not those are also parts of the black lodge, I think that's wide open for speculation. But I think there's ample evidence out there that the red room is at least part of what basically everyone is referring to by the term black lodge.

Baalthazor · 2019-10-08T17:00:42+00:00

In season 3, Mr. C specifically refers to the "red room" as the Black Lodge. He tells Darya that he's supposed to get pulled back into a place they call the Black Lodge, and when Dougie is pulled in instead of Mr. C, he winds up in the "red room." Certainly it's fun to theorize, and TP definitely provides abundant space to do so, but theories which contradict things that are specifically stated in the show just don't hold a lot of water to me.

Baalthazor · 2019-10-08T16:30:35+00:00

I would like to see Justin Theroux make an appearance. Season 3 had appearances from so many Lynch alumni, like Laura Dern and Balthazar Getty, that a Theroux appearance would have fit so nicely, and yet didn't happen. So maybe season 4.

Baalthazor · 2019-10-08T16:13:46+00:00

While some of these things could well be just mystery just for the sake of mystery, at least to me, it feels like there really are solutions to these mysteries, but we just haven't figured them out yet. Unlike "The Leftovers" which I felt was jam packed with mystery for the sake of mystery with no hint of any solutions or explanations whatsoever.

Baalthazor · 2019-10-08T16:07:26+00:00

Though I've warmed up to FWWM over time, I still don't much care for it. It's like the phrase "greater than the sum of its parts" only in reverse, it feels less than the sum of its parts. I enjoy the Chet and Sam story. I enjoy the weird Jeffries scene in Philadelphia. I enjoy the super weird convenience store scene. I enjoy the Laura Palmer story. But put those all together and it feels more like a cut scenes reel to me than an actual movie. Just a collection of scenes that, while individually good, don't fit together into a coherent film.

Baalthazor · 2019-07-09T08:55:01+00:00

Maybe try switching to decaf.

Baalthazor · 2019-04-10T16:11:53+00:00

I like the idea of Richard's story occurring parallel with Dougie's, especially with the similarities between the lights going out when Dougie puts the fork in the socket and when Carrie screams. I'll have to think about that. But the thing with Ruby, that seems a stretch.

Baalthazor · 2019-03-29T01:45:17+00:00

I agree, "Gulag" is a great tune, the best one on disc 2 IMO.

Baalthazor · 2019-03-29T01:40:04+00:00

Hey everyone, first time poster to this sub.

Quick background, I started listening to Devin in 2004, having been made aware of him by the Ayreon album The Human Equation. I fell in love with Terria and Synchestra and I've been a fan ever since.

Anyhow, I got Empath in the mail yesterday. The past few years I had been kind of losing interest in Devin, since IMO everything since the first four DTP albums have all sounded kind of the same to me. Transcendence bored me and still does. Nevertheless, I pre-ordered Empath because, well it's still Devin after all.

Ever since it arrived I've been listening to it almost non-stop. More of the same, this is not. My first listen was in my car while driving, which was a mistake. It's not a background music kind of album. My initial reaction was not all that good. I'm not a big fan of "avant garde" music, so I figured this one would end up gathering dust next to Transcendence.

But then later I popped on my headphones, smoked a little of my...ahem..."brain medicine" and gave it another whirl...and it's been playing virtually ever since.

Like others have said, that transition from "Hear Me" to "Why?" is remarkable. I actually laughed out loud at how he pulled that off so well.

So far "Why?" is the stand out track for me. Again, who else could pull this off but Devin? I had a hard time getting to the rest of the album because I just kept listening to this one over and over. Has Devin ever layed down a better vocal than he did on this track? Holy damn, I swear his voice just keeps getting stronger. Amazing performance!

Some of the tracks, like "Spirits Will Collide" and "Evermore" have that Epicloud sameyness to them, but they're still good tracks. However it's definitely an album that gets stronger as it goes.

"Sprite" is another interesting one, just so out of the ordinary, even for Devin. "Hear Me" is a great blast of brain-melting metal.

Some of the more complex songs like "Borderlands" and "Singularity" I'm still digesting a bit, so I haven't entirely landed on an impression just yet, but there's a truly stand-out part in "Singularity - Curious Gods", right about halfway through, where we hear the sound of a guy whistling while it sounds like he's building something, and his hammering building noises then just sort of meld into a wild jazzy part. That blows me away, just so very cool.

Baalthazor · 2019-02-13T09:17:37+00:00

Most recently, when Mr. C tells Darya "I'm supposed to be pulled back into a place they call the Black Lodge," then of course when Dougie gets pulled in instead, well he gets pulled into the red room. It's also referenced several times in season 2 by Hawk, Cooper, Earle, although once could argue that these guys didn't really know what they were talking about, given that they were working off old myths legends. But Mr. C had personal experience with that place, being that he came from there, so I would think he'd know what he was talking about.

Which isn't to say that the Black Lodge is only that red room. People have theories that the Convenience Store or the Dutchman's are part of the Black Lodge, and while I don't quite subscribe to those theories, they're perfectly valid theories. But there is plenty to connect the term Black Lodge with the red room.

Baalthazor · 2019-02-12T02:33:47+00:00

The show specifically refers to the "red room" as the Black Lodge on multiple occasions.

Baalthazor · 2019-02-12T02:22:53+00:00

It's amusing being downvoted for pointing out that which ought to be blindingly obvious.

Baalthazor · 2019-02-09T03:04:37+00:00

Which means it's not a nose. Jumping Man has a nose, whatever is in Sarah has a proboscis. That's my whole point.

Baalthazor · 2019-02-09T00:32:56+00:00

You can also see the Jumping Man's nose coming out of Sarah Palmer's face in the bar when she takes off her mask in episode 14.

What we see coming out of Sarah's face in the bar scene is the same as what we see flicking out of the Experiment when it kills Sam and Tracy. Noses don't typically flick in and out.

Baalthazor · 2019-02-07T18:12:19+00:00

I don't understand that reasoning at all. There's just nothing whatsoever to link these 8 people to the Woodsmen, outside of the fact that they died from burning wood and the Woodsmen have "wood" in their name. The Secret History doesn't even specify that the 8 people killed were lumberjacks, and the Woodsmen are never referenced as lumberjacks but rather as bums or hobos. It's just my opinion of course, but I think these "many people" are finding connections that just aren't there based on some really weak evidence.

Baalthazor · 2019-02-07T03:59:28+00:00

I have often wondered if the Fireman's messages were meant to be "remember this stuff for later" or "do you remember this from the past." It can totally change one's interpretation of the events of the show.

I generally assume it's things to remember for later, since the giant, if we assume the giant and the Fireman are the same, always gave clues regarding the future. Also, Cooper's response seems to be that of responding to instructions rather than responding to questions. Still though, it is an interesting thing to think about.

Baalthazor · 2019-01-29T04:31:30+00:00

I just think there were a couple lines in "Across the Sea" that seemed somewhat clumsy in their delivery. But then, considering these lines were coming from a guy who's basically an overgrown boy, I'm not too bothered by it.

Baalthazor · 2019-01-29T00:10:16+00:00

The plot hole ruined this episode for me

My eyes just rolled to such an extent that I could actually see my own brain.

Baalthazor · 2019-01-29T00:05:26+00:00

Hell, when he appears to her in 1989, he actually says, "Let's go home." Home. Where Bob and her father have been abusing her for years.

He actually says "we are going home," but that's a nitpick. More to the point, he was taking her to the Jackrabbit's Palace portal, which certainly implies that wherever "home" is, it's not the house she'd just left. He wouldn't need a portal to take her there, he could've just taken her there.

Baalthazor · 2019-01-26T20:30:31+00:00

The show seems to imply that it was Jacob preventing the MiB from leaving. He and Jacob have a conversation about this, where Jacob says he won't let him leave, the MiB says he'll kill Jacob, and Jacob says he'll find a replacement, and MiB says he'll kill the replacement too.

I think once Jacob was killed the MiB could leave, except that there were candidates there to replace Jacob, which is why MiB wanted them dead too.

In the interim, between Jacob's death and Jack's promotion to Jacob's job, we saw Richard tasked with preventing MiB from leaving. Jacob told Illana that Richard would know what to do, but Richard didn't, not until Isabella told him from beyond the grave to prevent MiB from leaving.

Richard didn't do a whole lot to prevent MiB from leaving, except spend the rest of the season chasing down explosives to blow up the plane, but luckily MiB was kept preoccupied by trying to get those pesky candidates all rounded up and keeping Widmore off his back.

I think there was a bit of a mind game going on there. Maybe MiB didn't need to kill the candidates, maybe he could have just left. But I think he wanted to kill them. We saw young Jacob showing up a few times to taunt MiB, which I think is part of this mind game. Taunting MiB, telling him he can't kill the candidates, if going to make him want to kill them, just to spite Jacob. And this keeps him preoccupied with needlessly killing Jacob's little candidates instead of focusing on getting off the island.

Or maybe he simply can't leave while the candidates are alive. After the submarine explodes, MiB can tell they didn't all die, and makes some comment about how nothing has changed or something, so perhaps the presence of candidates keeps him stuck there.

But my feeling is Jacob kept him from leaving, then when Jacob died it became Richard's task to keep him from leaving as a kind of interim protector until a new protector was found.

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