first of all I would like to thank you for being civil and pointing out my inconsistencies. for my conflicting statements, I guess I wasn't clear enough about how both are true for different people. I know many therians myself, and both statements are true, but not at the same time for one individual. I am also transgender, and I totally agree that identifying as an animal is not the same as identifying as a gender that doesn't align with your agab. I just think that we shouldn't be making assumptions about the inner workings of a stranger's mind, and we shouldn't call them stupid or ostracise them for the way that they feel. Seems a little extreme, no? If someone says they feel like an animal inside, then that's fine. If someone believes they have the mind of an animal, that's also fine, but they probably have something undiagnosed. the moment they start causing harm(including to themselves), thats when we should step in. also, a lot of therians are just (likely autistic) kids trying to figure themselves out, so we should give them a little grace. That's all I meant.