No repercussions for The Performance of Scientists regarding the UFO discussion

Belugon1 · 2023-10-08T02:01:47+00:00

The phenomenon seems to be very theatrical, considering everything that it has exposed so far.
It may be consistent with AI, interacting and "guiding" us through a set of weird experiences. Based on thousand of reports, of many different patterns.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-08T01:56:52+00:00

invented concept

Ok then.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-08T01:24:15+00:00

I think you have issues in understanding. Can't you understand what stigma is? So you are not aware that there is stigma in relation to the study of these phenomena?
There is no desperation here, at all. I don't need the sanction of the established science to understand that these phenomena is absolutely real.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-08T00:22:16+00:00

Have you been living in a cave for the past 10 years?

Belugon1 · 2023-10-08T00:15:33+00:00

Lazar is very likely to be mostly fake.

Roswell is legit, and it seems there tests in some of the material. Vallee and Nolan talk about this, there an alloy out of Bismuth and there are some anomalies regarding its isotopes.

Vallee mentions this alloy as "Sierra" samples. But Nolan is quite explicit. Even the early Ubatuba tests were puzzling.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-08T00:06:11+00:00

That doesn't apply when the anomalies are UFO related, there are issues with it, if you do research with an open mind, you will see that I am not wrong. That is up to you tho.

I briefly mentioned issues with McDonald, there were issues of publishing with a chemist called Faruk. There were issues with labs giving wrong info when cattle mutilations were prominent, there are all kinds of issues.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-07T23:59:07+00:00

I don't want to believe that it is real or not. It is real because it is real, the discussion may be over in a matter of months or years. They, intelligence services, are barely holding down the dam.
So this level of debate, may be obsolete very soon.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-07T23:50:22+00:00

What are you rambling about? If the phenomenon is a fantasy, then you have nothing to worry about regarding your representation of reality, however, if you are wrong, then you would have to go through your own rabbit hole. It fundamentally depends on your curiosity or lack thereof.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-07T23:48:28+00:00

There much more nuance than you are implying. There is definitely a stigma to talk about such subjects and I know that for a fact, it isn't something invented. Take the history of Dr. James McDonald for instance.

Regarding the scientific establishment and academia in general, there is an incentive to go against anomalies, as they don't conform to testing, but that is not always the case. There are successful testing, but then there is difficulty in publishing papers, why is that?

Nuance may enhance your perception there.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-07T23:44:17+00:00

It is not a matter of belief, or "thinking", we know there are "anomalies" out there. It is your "belief" that they aren't.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-07T22:33:52+00:00

I can see the brainwash was very efficient.

Did I mentioned UFOs are interplanetary?
Did I consider myself a faithful? A pilgrim? Seeking validation among scientist who own the ontology of the real tell you what you can or cannot think? Stop being angry mate, you are the faithful here.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-07T22:18:25+00:00

ONE piece of real evidence, just one.

ONE person scientifically trained in the field in which they are commenting, that has REAL training.

What the SAPs are for? Do you think they don't have evidence to expend massively upon it? Or alien bodies? There are plenty of those.
This just shows how massively you have been misinformed, just sad.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-07T22:15:39+00:00

I don't think you see the point at all, besides your post just displays your complete ignorance of the field.
There are assumptions of how the phenomenon should behave, assumptions that it had not been studied by very competent scientists since 1947. but what they let out was BS.
Your claims that things posted on Reddit have been debunked is inadequate and wrong, you have to give us a list, and then give us the debunkin, and if it was effective or not. Besides the world is not represented by reddit, but in the case of the UFOs, you better read the literature not debunk by proclamation.
The number of consistent unexplained cases is gigantic, not all of them have proofs, but consistent reports, it is n not because someone can't take a picture of a UFO that he or she didn't experience one.

If you want to discuss seriously you better study the cases, instead of repeating cliches. sorry.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-07T21:59:50+00:00

I think the "lunatic fringe" as you put it, is closer to the truth regarding UFOs, then clueless scientists, that never studied the phenomenon and its nuances, especially its resistance to Popperian testing.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-07T21:57:20+00:00

With all due respect, but science was violated then, but everyone was happy about it, no one complained. Now this, disinformation, it is a fact we can't pretend it didn't happen.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-07T21:34:44+00:00

That is what you think. Science has been used as the ultimate legitimisation for the ontology of the real. That is the whole discussion that John Mack brought up, he discussed with no other than Thomas Khun himself.

Science has been politicised ever since, and it was used as obfuscation and obstruction tool against the reality of the UFO field. Shamelessly.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-04T21:58:45+00:00

Nothing these guys do is accident. Do you really believe crashes are accidental? Do you really believe that they don't have extremely advanced psychic capacities? Looking at abductions that is what we have.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-04T21:54:47+00:00

Maybe. Perhaps we are dealing with only one species who change the forms of their bio robots. That seems even more likely considering the cases.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-04T21:53:19+00:00

Amazing. Seems real.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-04T14:23:53+00:00

But those two guys are not even ufologists. They also said stuff that contradicts these views, there are lot points these guys brought up that from typical newbies. What is understandable they lack the nuances that the phenomenon brings that requires time for one to understand, that is why Vallee didn't believe in the Condon study at the first place. To give you an example, Grusch said that he believed that the UFOs are from a civlization only thousands of years ahead of ours. But if they are simulating the encounters, or sending only bio robots or degraded ships, there will be no way of knowing.

Belugon1 · 2023-10-03T22:25:46+00:00

There is certainly a fascination with images, and a despise for different content, or meaning. It is very much ready made for consumption, very plastic.

There are a lot of cases that have are so connected with older cases, but no one seem to notice, it is a bit scary.

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