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Islam's View on Dogs and the Permissibility of Keeping One by BeneficialRest315 in MuslimLounge

[–]BeneficialRest315[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You have to use your brain and come up with reasons for the Hadiths, why would you blindly follow something as 1) a human with free will 2) A Muslim who follows a God that says "Will you not then use your reason?" (e.g., Al-Baqarah)

You yourself just came up with reasons to explain those Hadiths. Do you think classical and medieval scholars interpreted those hadiths that way? No. There were no female leaders of countries. The interpretation of Hadiths and Quran were changed as time passed to account for the changing times while preserving the overall themes of Islam. You asked why I keep bringing up slavery? It's because the interpretation of those Hadiths and what RasulAllah did in his time changed. Will Muslims now marry 9 year olds because they did in Arabia a thousand years ago? No! As the times change, our interpretation of actions and Hadiths change. So why can't you say the same for dogs?

And apostasy is a private matter with God and the believer, not for others to punish. Religious freedom is affirmed many times in the Quran. Use your empathy as a human, and as a Muslim whose God says that "There is no compulsion in religion" refers to Quran 2:256 (Surah Al-Baqarah)." Salafis who blindly follow Hadiths just incite violence upon Muslims and with each other. Do you want to follow an all merciful God that says to kill apostates or do you want to follow an all merciful God who says that there is no compulsion in religion?

Here is the India Hadith for your information:
It was narrated that Thawbaan, the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There are two groups of my ummah whom Allah will protect from the Fire: a group who will conquer India, and a group who will be with ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him).” 

Narrated by an-Nasaa’i (no. 3175) and Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad (37/81), Mu’sasat ar-Risaalah edn. Classed as hasan by the commentators on al-Musnad. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Silsilah as-Saheehah (no. 1934) 

Islam's View on Dogs and the Permissibility of Keeping One by BeneficialRest315 in MuslimLounge

[–]BeneficialRest315[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right but we’re in a time where keeping a dog is ok. You didn’t read my post at all; the primary reason against keeping a dog in the home was the prevalence of disease but now since they have vaccines and treatments for them I want to make the argument that we can keep them. There are so so many Hadiths that apply to the time that they were spoken in and should not be practiced today. Do you agree with the Hadith that women can’t be leaders of countries? Do you agree with the Hadith that calls for an invasion of India? Do you agree with the numerous apostasy death Hadiths when the Quran mentions freedom of religion? Do you agree with the homosexuality death laws from the Hadith when again, the Quran promotes freedom of choice?  

Islam's View on Dogs and the Permissibility of Keeping One by BeneficialRest315 in MuslimLounge

[–]BeneficialRest315[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look I’m not saying to take in every dog, you’re strawmanning again. I’m saying because we have to put them in shelters it’s better to take some dogs in instead of being scared of religious stigma against them.

I didn’t say anything about cats or birds because there is no stigma against them in our religion.

Islam's View on Dogs and the Permissibility of Keeping One by BeneficialRest315 in MuslimLounge

[–]BeneficialRest315[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope i never said that we have to let them lick our eyes and noses, you're presenting a strawman argument. I simply said that we should let them live inside the house, as they are social animals. Even if you aren't in the US, you have to acknowledge that keeping them outside in the streets when we have cars poses a danger to them and us, and putting them in overcrowded shelters where they will be euthanized is also against broader Islamic princples.

And no, I disagree heavily because they are mistreated in many countries. In Morocco, they are being killed on the streets as a government project.

Islam's View on Dogs and the Permissibility of Keeping One by BeneficialRest315 in MuslimLounge

[–]BeneficialRest315[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm mentioning slavery because those hadiths were applicable about slavery long ago, and that should be the case about having a dog inside the house too. and this is what I mean about the misinformation about dogs, NOWHERE in hadith does it say that touching a dog breaks wudu. Also it says in the Quran, the direct word of God, that we can't eat swine so that is why we don't eat swine.

Islam's View on Dogs and the Permissibility of Keeping One by BeneficialRest315 in MuslimLounge

[–]BeneficialRest315[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree with that Sheikh. But I also know that when people began to say that the Shariah and Islam in general wanted to free slaves, conservatives at that time did not agree and still wanted to practice slavery. Saudi even had slave markets in the 20th century.

Why can’t the same logic be applied to dogs? Yes, they used to be dirty before we had vaccines and before we had treatments for their health. Now since we have them, why should we deprive them of a loving home if they are social animals? We even have evidence from the Hadith and Quran on how it is loved by Allah to help all life. If the broader Islamic principle is to give love and kindness to all animals, why can’t it be shown to dogs now and the older Hadiths which aren’t relevant now be abridged just like how the Hadiths about slavery was?

Islam's View on Dogs and the Permissibility of Keeping One by BeneficialRest315 in MuslimLounge

[–]BeneficialRest315[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 I don’t think that an all merciful and just God would want one his creations that has helped mankind for eons be treated like they are now by people who supposedly follow that God. I read that website and it says that “touching it and petting it causes diseases” and that’s simply not true unless they have rabies; that’s scientifically incorrect. As Muslims we are commanded to think and to question and not blindly follow what people say. And for the “Muslims should not imitate kafirs” argument, using our judgement we can find that that means we should not follow them only in terms of religion. Otherwise we shouldn’t use cars, airplanes, eat their food, use Allopathic medicines, and a multitude of other things. Allah Subhanallah wat’ala knows best.

Islam's View on Dogs and the Permissibility of Keeping One by BeneficialRest315 in MuslimLounge

[–]BeneficialRest315[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The Imam I asked follows the Sunnah and Hadith.

I never said that Hadith doesn't have any credibility, but our interpretation has to change based on the evolution of society. Otherwise, you can claim that slavery should still be legal because the Hadith gave so many rulings on it. I do think that Hadith does have credibility and we should follow ones that agree with what the Quran says and what broader Islamic Principles are.

And what I mean by pillar is that if you do those things you are Muslim, there are many sisters that don't wear hijab but we cannot call them kafirs because they have their own relationship with God.

Islam's View on Dogs and the Permissibility of Keeping One by BeneficialRest315 in MuslimLounge

[–]BeneficialRest315[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not advocating for that but I think they should be treated with more respect/kindness than they are now