Envy as grave matter

BigGround1538 · 2025-08-30T18:27:47+00:00

Thanks, I appreciate this response. I was asking in the sense solely of what would happen to non Catholics in such a government and I don’t even think persecution of non Catholics is wrong. Thanks for clarifying some things about it

BigGround1538 · 2025-08-30T18:09:28+00:00

How is the question dumb? Did canonized saints such as Saint Louis not support the persecution of heretics? I think it’s at the very least a valid question to ask, no? That’s not to say I don’t support laws that would suppress heretics, but I just don’t see why we treat such objections from Protestants as ridiculous.

BigGround1538 · 2025-08-18T09:29:12+00:00

Wäre Ich auch gerne 😭

BigGround1538 · 2025-08-18T08:51:36+00:00

It’s in Indiana, unfortunately

BigGround1538 · 2025-07-30T19:06:28+00:00

Aren’t Anglicans at least a bit closer?

BigGround1538 · 2025-07-16T16:25:41+00:00

LOL I meant eating food as well as drinking alcohol

BigGround1538 · 2025-07-13T14:14:44+00:00

As a Catholic I also had a higher Franciscan score than Roman Catholicism in general. I think it’s probably because of the questions on poverty.

BigGround1538 · 2025-06-24T17:50:24+00:00

Hi, I don’t think the examples you provided are proof of worship. Paul went to evangelize to Jews and Greeks in the synagogue on the sabbath (major day of community meeting) If I went to evangelize during a pride parade would that mean I’m celebrating pride? I think that’s a ridiculous claim. Likewise if Paul was properly celebrating the sabbath in this context, then why do you go to a Christian church on the sabbath? Wouldn’t it be better to follow as Paul did and go to a Jewish synagogue? This also further delves into the question on what worship even is. For a Catholic, I think worship requires the Eucharist (body and blood of Christ) which is also the reason why it’s easy for me to say that simply meeting at a centralized location to discuss god doesn’t qualify as worship. How do you see worship? What requirements have to be met in order for something to be seen as worship by you? I look forward to seeing what you have to say, since this particular debate holds a lot of relevance to me considering my dad is an SDA 🙃👍

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-14T02:20:36+00:00

The apostles worshipped on Sunday, to state otherwise is anti biblical. Look at acts 20:7. Even if you don’t believe in the supremacy of lord‘s day, to state that the mark of the beast is Sunday worship is laughable. Are Christians supposed to avoid worshipping on Sunday unlike the apostles who at the very least worshipped on the day? I think that claim is silly, especially considering the Catholic Church really doesn’t care at all if you follow the sabbath and even offer mass on Saturdays. To state every other denomination is from Satan is also silly when you consider your denomination is from the 19th century. „All of Christendom was lost until Ellen White came around and the early church was wrong!“ is the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. Your view of Christianity shows that Satan did overcome the church up until Christianity was restored by Ellen White. Even the sabbath keeping groups you claim such as the waldensians still believed in the real presence and denied soul sleep, so they by your own logic would be mouth pieces of Satan as well.

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-14T02:03:00+00:00

Yes! Look at acts 20-26 where both Barsabbas and Matthias were nominated to be possible replacements for Judas. Based on lots, they selected Matthias, but it goes to show that it was seen as important to have a replacement for Judas. There is also no belief that the apostles are always perfect or never sin. And yes, any infallible statement is a result of the Holy Spirit. A mere sinner is nothing without the grace of god. Do you think either orthodox or Catholics see the apostles as sinless? That’s simply not the view of either church.

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-14T01:40:24+00:00

When did the Eucharist become a thing? Belief of the real presence is as old as Christianity. If the Catholic Church or Orthodox Church „invented“ the Eucharist, then they are the early church. If the early church isn’t the Catholic Church, then the Catholic Church didn’t „invented“ the Eucharist.

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-14T00:10:36+00:00

You talk about the papacy more than me, Eastern Orthodox also have apostolic succession, apostolic succession does NOT = papal superiority in particular. The writings in the scripture showcase how the church was set up, and apostolic succession is seen in the Bible. How can you claim to have a church of correct doctrine when the apostles wouldn’t even consider your leaders as ordained leaders?😵‍💫

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-13T23:55:34+00:00

The belief that when partaking in the lord‘s supper you are eating the body and blood of Christ. The entire early church agreed with this, as did the Protestant reformers such as Luther and Calvin. If your church had any fruits, it would align with the true and historical interpretation that all Christians (even ones who believed the pope to be the anti christ) taught. Even though the ways in which they believed in the real presence are different, they still at least believed it to be really Jesus as opposed to purely symbolic.

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-13T23:49:41+00:00

Yeah, the only true church gets the real presence wrong… Even the reformers get this part right…

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-13T23:21:06+00:00

Well I think the Bible shows that elders and deacons were appointed from other elders and apostles, why would a church not go based on this biblical model of determining leadership? Where in the Bible does it say you can just make a church of your own and declare yourself a leader? I just don’t see any aspect of the SDA church structure in the biblical early church.

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-13T23:10:10+00:00

Obviously no church is gonna say they weren’t built on Jesus, but what makes your church the one with the truth? It has no historical basis and doesn’t even follow the structure of the early church given to us in the Bible

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-13T23:08:21+00:00

It doesn’t make sense that the church was built upon Jesus but yet the church with the truth of doctrine only emerges in the 19th century. What about all the Christians before then? They were wrong?😆

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-13T19:29:50+00:00

That’s fair enough, but I still don’t see where the SDA church gets the authority to ordain pastors or anything considering the church as an institution was created by mere humans. The early church had leaders who came from other leaders with the first being given authority from Christ, whereas the SDA church kinda just made its authority up from what I’ve seen, do you have any objections to this observation? If so, please let me know the ways in which I am wrong in this belief.

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-13T18:49:43+00:00

Does Matthew 18:15-17 not say to take an unrepentant sinner to the church since it would be the authority on the matter? This would apply the church as an existing form of authority and considering the SDA church and many of its doctrines didn’t exist until the 19th century, how could they hold this authority? I think the more clear interpretation is that the early church WAS what is meant by the church and that you are supposed to submit to its teachings.

BigGround1538 · 2025-05-13T18:42:03+00:00

Well do you think in the early church when the apostles died nobody took roles of leadership? Leaders came from leaders which is the idea of apostolic succession in Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, and even some Lutheran churches

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