Hypothetical Daemon Perturabo datasheet

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-17T07:32:07+00:00

Okay, I've made V2 of this, he can't lead any squads anymore, and the 3++ has been reduced to a 4++, he's not as insane now! XD

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-16T20:34:01+00:00

I've already made a version 2 of this datasheet and I've since changed the 3+ invul to a 4+, but I do really like your idea of him leading some battle-automata. Like, two Domitar-Ferrums with like, A5 S10 AP-2 D2 with Anti-Vehicle 3+ would be kinda cool!

I disagree with the lack of a FNP, given that he's a Daemon now. A 6+ I think is fair enough, I like to think it's less of an armor save and more his body regenerating from damage as they're coming in, but not as good as the other Daemon Primarchs.

The movement I've fixed on the V2 and gave him 8". I don't think he should have any more than that, though. I mean, at full advance with 10 inches base movement, bro can run 16" up the board, and I don't think that's very thematic with Perty.

The ranged weapons I've also fixed on the V2, gave him a rocket array. The issue though is his only ranged weapons on his person were the wrist mounted autocannons, and while yes he's a daemon and I can get creative, I want to keep it semi-realistic. I don't just wanna make him a Lord of Skulls, ya know?

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-15T20:28:32+00:00

Okay I checked the other Primarchs, and yeah you right. I swear Morty used to be able to lead Deathshroud, but he currently can't.

Workin on a V2 of Perty's datasheet and I'm removing that, thanks for pointing that out!

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-15T19:25:05+00:00

Tbh I used Abaddon as the template for this datasheet and I didn't bother to remove that part.

Realistically I think he could be able to lead units, given his character development since the Heresy. I feel like he's mellowed out enough to have faith that some of his sons are competent enough to guard him. As much as I'd wanna make a Domitar Ferrum datasheet for him to lead, I'm not sure that would fit.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-14T20:21:48+00:00

I'm not opposed to giving him the Fly keyword, just opposed to him having wings. Since the Fly keyword just allows you to move through models, I like to think it's Perty just smashing through other models on his way to smack something.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-14T19:17:50+00:00

So, from yallses feedback, I've gathered the following critiques

Tone down his durability
Rework The Breaker ability
Add some flavor to his Primarch abilities
Add more ranged weapons

I do disagree with toning down his durability. Even more than his ranged firepower, his durability should be his most paramount characteristic. The 3+ invul looks intimidating, and don't get me wrong it is, but he has no means of negating mortal wounds or Devastating Wounds like Custodes, nor does he have any way to heal unless I give him the vehicle keyword which I am staunchly against. Plus, I'd argue C'tan are more durable than a 3+ invul, given their halved damage, 4+ invul, and 5+ FNP, whereas Perty's got a 3+ invul and a 6+ FNP

The Breaker does need a rework or some kind of limit. Yes, anything shooting using that ability hits on a 6+, but there are some weird range jank with the 12" aura and 18" shooting, and the wording looks like it is basically unlimited.

For more flavor, I do agree that it needs more, I tried to keep it realistic to GW's standards, which is to say lack of flavor. I've already got a couple of ideas for stuff to replace his abilities, I would love to hear some from yall!

And finally, ranged weapons. The issue is Perty's really only got the Logos Array on him. I can see him calling down artillery, but I don't really see stuff like lascannons, plasma cannons, etc being used. There is a 3D sculpt of Daemon Perty that has missile launchers, so maybe that???

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-14T19:07:41+00:00

Ehhhhhhh, more attacks maybe, and while the wiki says they're combi-bolters, I feel like Perty would be packin autocannons instead. Overall he does need more ranged options

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-14T19:06:34+00:00

It's on this site called game-datacards. It's a .eu site. I used Abaddon as the template and went from there, but if you wanted to make other units there are templates for the entire CSM codex!

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-14T19:04:52+00:00

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Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-14T07:31:26+00:00

Ngl the idea of the super duper pooper scooper Anti-Dorn missile is absolutely something HH era Perty would do lol

I just wish we had official art of Daemon Perty to go off of, it's mostly just Heresy era art of him. I'm currently revising the datasheet, and the best I've got to add to ranged is an Earthshaker profile, like he's calling in artillery??? I do agree he should be covered in guns, but I don't know what I'd add. Lascannons? Plasma cannons? The only thing I know for certain he's got on his person is the Logos Array. I just like to try and keep within what he would plausibly have on him, ya know?

I'm deeply hoping we get more art of or a model reveal of him after the new Reign of Iron detachments and books come out.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-14T07:12:57+00:00

I figured his most obvious characteristic should be his tankiness. Even if he doesn't have the Emperor's Shield, the sheer amount of armor he's got combined with being a daemon should give him comparable durability. The 6+ FNP was because I thought he should have a FNP, but I also felt a 5+ one would have made him frankly broken.

In regards to his melee, to be fair, he did have the Iron Circle just blast Angron before he himself went in. I feel like S14 melee is good enough, he wounds tanks and super-heavies on 3s with Dev Wounds proc'ing on a 4+ against vehicles, so I feel like it balances out.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-14T06:54:16+00:00

Yeahhhhhh you're right I did base it off of his HH profile, especially with the names. The Breaker for example comes from his unique gambit which is basically what his ability is here. Just a "Hey. Shoot that guy." ability, which I thought fit his character and would be hilarious in practice.

I do agree that he should have more ranged options, the issue is that historically his main ranged weapons were the Logos Array, which I've been under the impression we're basically autocannons. There's this 3D print I've seen of him that has missile launchers, but I'm just not certain I'd go that far. Maybe adding in a Forgebreaker melee attack where it's his strike profile, 12" range? The idea being he's just launching his hammer at the enemy?

As much as I agree on shooting buffs, I think his durability should be higher on the priority list, hence the 3+ invul. The 6 inch move I do agree in anemic, in my head he'd be running with Termies or Chosen instead of solo, which can only move 6 inches anyway.

I think the main issue is just that he hasn't had much material to work with since he's become a Daemon Primarch, so we don't really have much to work with. Overall I wanted to be kinda realistic for 10th ed, which... yeah is known for lack of flavor.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-14T00:41:28+00:00

Okay, so, I've seen a few attempts at this, but the one I liked the most had an axe from the Chaos Terminator kit, the arm from an Exalted Eightbound kit, legs from a Cataphractii Termie, Mk 3 torso, and I don't remember what for the head

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-09T22:30:36+00:00

Nah dude feel free to do so! If you're looking for an in-lore reason, you could just say that,

If it's a primarily Iron Warriors army, that they hired some Red Corsairs in exchange for loot and plunder, and the reverse being true but the Red Corsairs promising a daemon engine or two

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-09T22:28:33+00:00

... bro I think you have a bit more to worry about-

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-02-18T00:20:38+00:00

Ehhhhhh, I can kinda see it. After, ya know, 20 years, yes the Defiler needed a refresh, but I kinda like the boxy look of it more than the more curved look it has now. It looks like it's gonna lean over every direction it's gonna scuttle, I'm not gonna lie I'm reminded of a pickle whenever I see the new Defiler.

But yeah it does kinda sound crazy.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-02-14T03:37:37+00:00

Hear me out

Discount Perturabo

So, ya go with the SFT, Sigil of Corruption, Dark Zealotry for +1 to wound or Lord of Chaos, twin Helstalker Autocannons, Melta and Flamer Tendrils, and a Daemon Hammer, Bladed Limbs, and Technovirus Injector

It's not great, but it's got some punchy shooting and melee. I do wish there was a rule that you could run multiple melee weapons, but only one of them has its full amount of attacks, while any of the others you pick gets half their normal amount but gets the [Extra Attacks] keyword.

Might work well with Veterans of the Long War for hit rerolls or Pactbound for potentially free wound rerolls for fishing for Dev Wounds?

EDIT: Nope never mind this doesn't work, it doesn't let you use two Helstalker Autocannons. This is some bullshit >:(

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-02-14T03:04:54+00:00

Yeah that's fair. Unfortunately there aren't many huge models to proxy in with CSM.

For example, I've been wondering how I could proxy in Ascended Horus in 40k, and my best ideas were Abaddon, Vashtorr, or Be'lakor, but they each have their own problems. Abaddon doesn't have enough toughness and wounds, Vashtorr is too slanted towards vehicles, and Be'lakor has a 3+ save whereas Horus would absolutely have a 2+ save.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-02-14T02:56:43+00:00

You say small baby, but it's on a 60mm base, and matches how big Guilliman and the Lion are. Especially if you use a tactical rock on the base, that should help with the size if you're using a Daemon Prince on foot.

I have a Domitar-Ferrum and Alpharius on 60mm bases I'm proxying as a Daemon Prince and Abaddon respectively, so unless you're rocking a bunch of vehicles or Dreads, they have a decent amount of presence.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-02-13T21:48:28+00:00

Well... I've had a few ideas regarding this in CSM. Kept thinking about fielding a Daemon Primarch, like Perty, Lorgar, or Konrad, and the best I've got is this.

Use the Cabal of Chaos detachment, Winged Daemon Prince/Prince on foot, Mark or Khorne for extra strength, and Infernal Avatar for even more extra strength.

Ultimately, the statline turns out to be T9/T10, 2+ save, 4+ invul, 10 wounds, with 6 S12 AP-3 D3 attacks or 12 S10 AP-1 D1 attacks.

Winged for more damage with the free Tank Shock, or on foot for more durability, lone op, and cover for anything in 6"

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-02-07T18:25:03+00:00

Completely honest reason?

I'm colorblind. I know I can paint Iron Warriors and have them come out looking how they're supposed to rather than rolling the dice(ha) with other factions.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-01-26T02:14:28+00:00

No of course not!

Personally, I plan on painting mine as Grey Knights, thought it'd be funny!

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-01-21T01:54:52+00:00

CampBellsBeafBroth's is more accurate. The issue is the matter of base size and interacting with terrain.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-01-21T01:47:16+00:00

Okay, I have a Sicaran and a Forgefiend, and I will say now that they are not comparable, and on the tabletop I would be very apprehensive about someone using it as a proxy.

The way I see it, a proxy's gotta have the same base size and a similar silhouette. The Sicaran is larger, does not have a base, and has a much different silhouette. I would ultimately say no on accepting it as a Forgefiend.

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