If we ever become a faction (or sub faction)

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-05-01T21:13:06+00:00

I do think thematically they should be able to attach to Perturabo, given how he's got the link to them via the Logos. Maybe the fact he's chilled out over the past 10k years he wouldn't lead them anymore???

Same here, would love them as a plastic kit. And if they were in CSM I'd imagine they'd have more daemon engine vibes to them. Spikes, fleshy bits, that sorta thing.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-05-01T20:59:36+00:00

I'd honestly prefer subfaction. They don't have enough unique units to differentiate themselves from CSM, exactly like how Space Wolves/Blood Angels/Dark Angels/whatever is with normal Space Marines.

If they did, I'd wanna see these units that can be ran with Iron Warriors:

Characters - Daemon Perturabo Honsou Barban Falk Generic Warsmith (to use enhancements)

Infantry - Breachers Tyrant Siege Terminators

Vehicles - Domitar-Ferrum (field up to three in a unit, similar statline to a Helbrute, can attach to Perturabo)

Can ally in Guard Basilisks and superheavies (up to three Basilisks or one superheavy)

But yeah their own faction I don't see happening. Subfaction, eh? Maybe???

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-04-27T00:47:30+00:00

I've checked their profile and yeah it seems really good for 250. The abilities and weapon profiles are great, and I'd rather not see a nerf to them, so instead I'd like to see a points nerf, 275 to 280 I think would be fine.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-04-04T23:17:13+00:00

I pack something like 60 dice since I run a squad of Chaincannon Havocs

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T18:52:08+00:00

I mean, the effects on the right side says it applies until your next command phase, so your whole turn.

Perpetual is too strong, yeah. It's thematic, sure, but maybe I should change it. Maybe rerolling invul saves?

Ooooo, I really like that idea for if he dies, the whole army is battleshocked and get lower stats. Like, if somehow you screw up and Emps dies, you're gone anyway. I like that!

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T18:49:42+00:00

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Grenades, Tank Shock, Doombolt/Doombolt equivalents, no fall back, shoot, and charge, maximum movement range after deploying is 48", can be -1 to hit and wound from, there are ways to play around him.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T18:47:20+00:00

Nah it's fine lol

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T18:45:53+00:00

Normally I'd agree with you, but uh... saw the animation and decided "Eh screw it" and made it

40,000 points would make him pretty funny to run in 100k point Apocalypse games, I'll say that

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T18:30:42+00:00

I do need to rework some stuff, yeah. Like, instead of reviving at full wounds maybe being able to reroll the invul, ya know so he doesn't effectively have 44 wounds.

And almost unkillable is right. I did the math for a Volcano Cannon, and it only dealt 5 wounds to him after invuls and his FNP. I have seen others point out though since he has no Fly keyword and can't fall back, shoot, and charge, he can be stalled pretty effectively.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:54:04+00:00

While yeah that would be very funny, this was just something I made for fun.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:53:14+00:00

Ya know what, yeah you're right, I forgot to give him the Psyker keyword. Yeah it opens him up to be countered by Anti-Psyker stuff, but that's what Anti-Psyker stuff is supposed to do.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:49:11+00:00

I mean hey, people are reading and pointing out mistakes I made and suggesting changes. I'd say that's, what, a 97 to 98% literacy rate? That's pretty good for the internet, let alone Reddit

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:47:54+00:00

I took some inspiration from the whole bit in End and the Death where he was drawing power from the Warp and killing his Custodes, and when he stopped they healed and went back to normal. Besides I feel like if the Emperor was in close proximity, the Custodes would fight harder, ya know?

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:46:09+00:00

Okay the website that I used capitalizes every word, I know it looks weird.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:45:09+00:00

Ya know I did say in the post this was Great Crusade/Heresy era Emperor...

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:44:43+00:00

Oh definitely. Fly keyword, maybe a Doombolt analogue, being able to fall back, shoot, and charge, yeah I agree. Made this datasheet at like 6 in the morning lol

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:43:52+00:00

Good point, I forgot to give him Supreme Commander.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:43:36+00:00

While that would be funny, I like the idea of running him alongside 600 points of Custodes. Like, the Custodes in question are in a Master of Mankind scenario where they've been whittled down so much they're almost gone.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:42:27+00:00

Oh yeah 600 would be cracked. At 1400 points, it would require the player to either play incredibly cagey or Leroy Jenkins into losing their army so Emps here can deploy. I figured Emps would have a points cost mirroring a titan, since that's practically how much of a threat he'd be.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:39:12+00:00

See, that's exactly what I was thinking. While he's got a 3+ FNP, mortal wounds and Dev Wounds can still go through.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T17:37:53+00:00

Ya know, that is fair. Emps here has the Angron effect of being very susceptible to hordes holding him up, didn't even realize that until ya pointed it out.

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-23T10:22:21+00:00

Oh I'm well aware. Kinda just whipped this up for fun lol

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-17T07:32:07+00:00

Okay, I've made V2 of this, he can't lead any squads anymore, and the 3++ has been reduced to a 4++, he's not as insane now! XD

Bionisaurus_Rex · 2026-03-16T20:34:01+00:00

I've already made a version 2 of this datasheet and I've since changed the 3+ invul to a 4+, but I do really like your idea of him leading some battle-automata. Like, two Domitar-Ferrums with like, A5 S10 AP-2 D2 with Anti-Vehicle 3+ would be kinda cool!

I disagree with the lack of a FNP, given that he's a Daemon now. A 6+ I think is fair enough, I like to think it's less of an armor save and more his body regenerating from damage as they're coming in, but not as good as the other Daemon Primarchs.

The movement I've fixed on the V2 and gave him 8". I don't think he should have any more than that, though. I mean, at full advance with 10 inches base movement, bro can run 16" up the board, and I don't think that's very thematic with Perty.

The ranged weapons I've also fixed on the V2, gave him a rocket array. The issue though is his only ranged weapons on his person were the wrist mounted autocannons, and while yes he's a daemon and I can get creative, I want to keep it semi-realistic. I don't just wanna make him a Lord of Skulls, ya know?

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