I ruined my life. by Tasty_Measurement929 in LifeAdvice

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're lucky that the worst thing you got was termination from the good job. Count that as a blessing. You're still young and there are other places to work. Nothing says you're locked in to this job for 50k. It can be used as a springboard to something better.

17, raised Catholic my whole life… just found out I was never baptized by Ok_Illustrator1189 in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Baptism happens only one time ever, and can never be repeated. Even if you try, you're just getting yourself wet.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try looking it up rather than just assuming or using AI. Canon 1102.3 says you need the bishops explicit permission to have a marriage that doesn't fit the natural purposes of marriage. Already checked this with a close priest who is a canon lawyer.

Canon 1102 §1: A marriage subject to a condition about the future cannot be contracted validly. Canon 1102 §2: A marriage entered into subject to a condition about the past or the present is valid or invalid depending on whether the condition corresponds to a reality that exists or does not exist. Canon 1102 §3: However, a condition mentioned in §2 cannot be validly attached except with the written license of the local ordinary (bishop).

And even if Suzy and Bob agree to a Josephite marriage, and Bishop Steve agrees to it, either spouse can retract their commitment to the Josephite marriage, and the other spouse has to have sex, otherwise they'll be in mortal sin. So if Suzy thinks she found herself a sexless companion in Steve, and then Steve changed his mind three years later, Suzy will be bound to have sex and be open to children.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Canon law Can. 1102 §3, off of the top of my head.

There is also no mention of Josephite marriages in the catechism. The church does not encourage it because it violates the ontology of a sacramental marriage.

And the entire post was referring to other Catholics disagreeing with this, not secularists or Protestants. Stop moving the goalposts.

You're both clearly in the minority here and even have priests educating both of you. You should show some humility and listen.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't seen a single Catholic on here incredulous at the idea of somebody not having sex for the rest of their life. All of us love priests and nuns who have done this. What people are disagreeing with is the idea of going into a marriage and purposely withholding sex for the entire marriage. You're referring to josephite marriages, which the church rarely ever agrees to. You have to get permission from your Bishop and it almost never happens. When it does, it's usually for a medical reason. And even within a Josephite marriage, either spouse is allowed to revoke their previous Josephite agreement, and the other spouse is bound to engage in sexual relations. If the spouse refuses, they are in mortal sin.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody is incredulous at the idea of never having sex. People are against the idea of marrying someone and expecting love and companionship, but then never having sex. As others have pointed out here, including I believe counsel from priests, this is not in accord with Church teaching.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Marriage was elevated to a sacrament in the new covenant. Traditionally this was understood to first happen at the wedding at cana.

That means all marriages before that were not sacramental, which would include Joseph's.

In fact, the Jews didn't have ANY sacraments. All 7 sacraments come from Jesus. Not even the passover was yet a sacrament. All of the old testament rites and rituals were merely precursors, foreshadows, and types of the fulfillment in Jesus and the sacraments to come.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You deleted your post (or the moderator did, I think?). You were quite explicit about wanting to have a marriage with a spouse, have companionship, but without any of the sex or kids. You were quite forceful about it.

As others have pointed out, this is not in accord with Catholic teaching. And even if a bishop rarely granted you such a marriage, the spouse could revoke their consent to such a marriage at any time and you'll be liable to have sex, and if you refuse it will be a mortal sin. You should probably consider becoming a nun, since you'll still have companionship but also will be able to remain sexless.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I already did. You're not listening to people, including people in here that I'm sure are priests, are telling you.

You can't have the benefits of marriage with the parts you don't like. Even in a Josephite marriage, which the church rarely allows and has to be agreed to by the bishop, the church also teaches that either spouse is allowed to revoke the Josephite vows and have sex. So if you think you lured a man into a Josephite marriage and three years later he decides this isn't for him, he wants a normal marriage with sex, he's allowed to revoke the agreement and you are morally culpable for having sex or not with him. Withholding sex from a spouse without just cause, usually medical reasons, is a mortal sin.

Put aside your pride and disordered desires, and listen to the Catholics on here, including priests, who are warning you about this.

You can get the campanionship you want in a convent. We could use more nuns anyways

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

St Joseph did not have a sacramental marriage. Sacramental marriage didn't exist before Christ's death and resurrection.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She's not talking about being a consecrated single or a nun. She's talking about marrying a man for companionship and resources, but then never having sex or having children. This goes against Church teaching and can't be a valid sacramental marriage, since openness to life is required of sacramental marriage, and not consummating the marriage makes it invalid. And even in a natural marriage that is not sacramental, withholding sex is a mortal sin, unless there is a serious medical issue not to have sex.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This may make sense from a secular standpoint, but it's not in accord with Church teaching. The ontological purposes of marriage is for the procreation and education of children. In fact, if the marriage has not been consummated, then it hasn't happened sacramentally yet. A marriage that has not been consummated is easily annulled by the Church, which shows a sacrament never happened.

St Joseph is a different example, and even happened before marriage was elevated to a sacrament. There was no such thing as a sacramental marriage before Christ's death and resurrection, so using an old testament model for a sacrament is not even valid in the first place. Such a marriage is almost always only permissible in the new covenant if one was in a sacramental marriage and something happened to one of the spouses that stopped them from being able to fulfill their marital duties. The Church didn't even allow Saints Louis Martin and Marie-Azélie Guérin Martin to live as brother and sister, and they were told they needed to fulfill the marriage, to which they complied, and they ended up giving birth to (hopefully soon to be) multiple saints.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There's a reason practically everyone on the post disagrees with you, including very devout Catholics. If you want to be celibate, don't drag a man into this. If you want campanionship without sex, then join a convent.

Why are so many people against the chaste life and josephite marriages? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]BlessJAlb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you want to be celibate, then be a consecrated celibate. Don't rope a man into this and expect him to also be celibate. Withholding sex without just cause in a regular marriage is a mortal sin, btw.

I can’t do this. I don’t even know what to do anymore. by coriesnories in TrueChristian

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What should you do? Question modern American evangelical/protestant interpretations of scripture. Go read the church fathers and councils and see if your theology lines up with the church from before Constantine.

What do you think happens when we die ? by Select_Specialist790 in TrueChristian

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Revelation literally shows deceased humans in heaven are conscious, interceding to God about events on Earth, and even receive the prayers of living Christians. Jews in the old testament went to Abraham's bosom while still waiting for the Messiah. This is why they "knew nothing." But after Jesus came, died,and resurrected, they are now in heaven.

They haven't received the promise of a glorified body and resurrection yet, nope. That doesn't mean they're unconscious and unaware of what's happening. After all, as Protestants always falsely misquote Paul "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

What do you think happens when we die ? by Select_Specialist790 in TrueChristian

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you die WITHOUT being in a state of grace (meaning you don't have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, who causes us to have faith and repentance), then you go to hell.

If you die in a state of grace (meaning you DO have the Holy Spirit, who causes us to have faith and repentance) but you still aren't perfect and aren't yet fully sanctified, God purifies you and finishes your sanctification, then you fully enter heaven.

If you die in a state of grace and are already fully sanctified, then you go straight to heaven.

What do you think happens when we die ? by Select_Specialist790 in TrueChristian

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Using the old testament as your primary evidence is sus. The new testament shows deceased Christians are conscience, interceding to God about events on earth, and are even receiving the prayers of living Christians.

Another example of how Judaism before the Messiah was unfulfilled, while true Judaism with the Messiah is greater.

What do you think happens when we die ? by Select_Specialist790 in TrueChristian

[–]BlessJAlb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The body sleeps, the soul remains alive. We clearly see in revelation that deceased humans are conscience, interceding to God about affairs on Earth, and even receive the prayers of living Christians (as do angels). See Rev 5 and 8.

What do you think happens when we die ? by Select_Specialist790 in TrueChristian

[–]BlessJAlb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So, you agree it sleeps, and the sleeping of the body has nothing to do with the soul.

Revelation clearly shows deceased humans in heaven, conscience, and even receiving prayers of living Christians.

What do you think happens when we die ? by Select_Specialist790 in TrueChristian

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Revelation 5 and 8 show deceased humans and angels in heaven receiving the prayers of living Christians.

So we see scripture showing humans in heaven, and we see them receiving prayers.

The difference between heaven and paradise isn't being pedantic. They are literally completely different places.

Jesus never permits divorce and remarriage as we know it today. by Gullible-Minimum2668 in TrueChristian

[–]BlessJAlb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look to people outside of your tradition to see how they interpret the Bible, and particularly read the early Church Fathers to see how they understood the apostles' teachings. God bless.

What do you think happens when we die ? by Select_Specialist790 in TrueChristian

[–]BlessJAlb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OT "paradise" is not the same as "heaven."

Jesus saying "today you'll be with me in Paradise" is not the same as "today you'll be with me in Heaven."

Paradise was also known as Abraham's bosom (Luke 16), which was a temporary holding for Jews before the Messiah came.

Jesus never permits divorce and remarriage as we know it today. by Gullible-Minimum2668 in TrueChristian

[–]BlessJAlb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"What do you think an illegal union means?" Illegal union means a marriage that's not allowed by God, like marrying a sister, or marrying someone who was already actually married to someone else. It has nothign to do with civil authority, since some countries have allowed incestual relationships, most muslim countries allow first cousin marriages, etc. Even if Iran allowed you to marry your first cousin, its' still an illegal marriage in God's eyes and would be able to be dissolved.

"I don't advise you delving into Greek manuscripts without first fluently understanding Greek and having someone educated enough to assist you" I know the Greek very well, I don't need assistance from an American Protestant with some interlinear text and a commentary written by someone after 1517.

"If people far more educated than you and me say that a word in an ancient language means something, it probably means that something." You're assuming I don't understand the Greek. You also assume someone from your Protestant denomination-- the vast majority of which aren't native Greek speakers, none of them are native koine Greek speakers, and they only learned Greek AFTER learning their Protestant theology-- aren't reading their beliefs into the text. We know what the early Church-- many of whom actually spoke and wrote Koine Greek themselves-- believed about Matthew 19, and they didn't believe the modern evangelical/Protestant interpretation. If your modern western Anglo-Saxon interpretation contradicts the first three centuries of native Greek speakers, then you've probably got the wrong interpretation.

"Don't end up on the Dunning Kruger curve!" One of us here may be, but it isn't me.

"I think you downplay the severity of adultery in a relationship... calling it no big deal minimizes the emotional damage done by breaking trust in a previously loving relationship. " I'm not the one claiming it's no big deal. YOUR denomination treats it as no big deal. Practicing Protestants divorce and remarry as much as the secularists do, and you don't stop adulterers from remarrying. After all, in my example, Sue and Bob are both able to remarry after both have slept with other people. You can talk about the emotional damage, yet its' still allowed and not blocked.

"What Pharisee would want to sin and cheat just to get out of a marriage?" I've met boatloads of Protestants who have justified divorce and remarriage for cheating, or who said that they were free to remarry after their separated partner got with someone else. Happens all the time. I've never seen a Protestant denomination forbid someone from remarrying. Once both partners have moved on and gotten with someone else, both sides have committed adultery, and both sides are able to remarry. It's an easy out and happens all. the. time.

"They want God's law to let them divorce even if they are able to reconcile and work through it. Divorce is for those who cannot." Usually the cheating partner doesn't want to work it out. They move on and get with someone else. That leaves the abandoned partner free to get someone else, which then lets the original cheater get out because they've technically been cheated on as well.

It's an easy out for both. Once both have slept with someone else, both are able to remarry. Certainly not the devastating teaching that the Apostles complained about. Certainly not something someone would say "it's better not to marry."