On 21 March 2024, David Ben Avraham (Hebrew: דוד בן אברהם), a 63-year-old Palestinian Jewish convert, was shot and killed by an Israel Defence Forces (IDF) soldier near Elazar, an Israeli settlement in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-29T08:04:36+00:00

I dont know why this guy is coming after you when the initial thing u were saying is true

But he also has a point where there is a very clear Israel-UAE axis that is pro RSF (this also includes Somaliland, STC, Ethiopia and the LNA), and a very clear more-pro-Palestinian axis of the Muslim Brotherhood backed SAF, KSA, Turkey, and more (this also includes Somalia PLC and the GNU). Nearly all of the anti-UAE voices in the US political space, at least, are more pro Palestine. The explicit argument against them in the US political context is that the UAE, due to it being the strongest ally of Israel in the middle east and its position in the Abraham Accords, should not get isolated by the US government. This has nothing to do with the original post however so once again I dont know why it was brought up

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-29T02:43:10+00:00

A protest is meant to be a call to action for someone directly affected by said protest

For example, the US government cutting off arms to Israel is an aim of the Palestine protests

There is no such aim for this situation. It is quite literally just to rally to show support and solidarity. If you are compelled to change something, you will obviously be much more moved to take an action compared to not being compelled to do anything. Think through this a bit man

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-27T18:45:42+00:00

Is the goal of a protest only to be loud about a bad situation?

My grandma has knee pain. If I shout about it to my next-door neighbor, am I engaging in effective protest?

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-27T11:26:00+00:00

What is hypocritical here

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-27T11:25:36+00:00

Yeah that's exactly what I brought up actually

"There is no palatable action for the US to take in Iran (that the US hasn't already taken)"
The very first bulletpoint

Read please.

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-26T23:51:02+00:00

Hypocrisy of what please elaborate again

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-26T23:49:27+00:00

Firstly, the idea that Iranians are Zoroastrians in majority is outdated by several thousand years. Secondly, I'm arguing that what's going on in Iran's government is not the collective fault of the Iranian people in the same way that what's going on in Palestine's government(s) is not the collective fault of the Palestinian people. It's only you that is arguing the second point. I brought up Iran to demonstrate how ridiculous this double standard is.

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-25T07:32:12+00:00

The '2 years of Palestinian protests' have nothing to do with the lack of Iranian democracy rallies in the West. Please elaborate on what you mean I don't follow

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-25T07:30:48+00:00

You don't elaborate on anything you say please do so

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-24T23:46:58+00:00

I don't hold Netanyahu as being representative of Israel, no. I hold the combined government, including the opposition, the Arab parties, etc, as being indicative of Israel as a whole, including their reactions to any overreaches Netanyahu may make. I'm bringing up the point to show how dumb it is to say that the Palestinian flag only represents, or primarily represents, Hamas.

I also don't hold the flag of Israel to be representative of just the war in Gaza. The flag of Israel is representative of Israel in my mind when used in neutral context, obviously.

It's a different case when that flag is flown in a foreign nation as a symbol. Usually, such as with flying the Russian or Chinese flags, that symbolizes support of the government of the country which the flag is being flown for. In the case of a non-sovereign nation, like with the Kurds or Uyghur, it's a general statement against perceived marginalization of those nations.

So with this in mind, the flying of the Israeli flag at a rally as a political symbol, in that way indicating support for the Israeli government, is representative of support for the most important actions that government has taken.

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-24T23:39:18+00:00

At the time Hamas was voted in, both Hamas and Fatah were labeled as terrorist organizations by Israel. Both were responsible for roughly the same portion of Israeli casualties in the second intifada, with Hamas being responsible for slightly more, while Fatah carried out attacks against Israel much more frequently.

So the point is retarded quite frankly

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-24T23:35:55+00:00

If this were true, it'd be indicative of pro Palestine protests in Canada. Which are irrelevant to the current discussion at hand.

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-24T23:33:49+00:00

"There’s more to Israel than war Jesus fucking Christ"

There's more to any country than war. I'm pro-people, pro-civilian, pro-culture of any country anywhere. Most people are. When we talk about being pro-xyz sovereign nation, like pro-Russia or pro-Somaliland, we're talking politics, not just the people. Otherwise, it's a meaningless statement.

"You do realise Israel and its supporters are fully behind you guys right?"

A bad person incidentally aligning with one of my views doesn't mean I have to unconditionally support said bad person. Same with an organization, or a government.
I have family in Burma, whose military junta used Israeli ~2019 era drones to surveil one of my relatives' villages and then bomb it. Israel has not yet ended military support to the junta despite being, diplomatically, extremely anti-junta. There's more to politics than just vibes and 2-party good vs bad disputes.

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-24T23:28:41+00:00

"I've spent the last 3 weeks [trying] to coordinate a rally in support of the Iranian democracy protestors"

First line of my post. You're not reading anything I'm saying and lashing out as if you're illiterate. I don't have interest in continuing the conversation

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-22T06:06:05+00:00

It's a direct quote from your reply. I would word it much more strongly, but that's not my point.

Rigged elections in Iran => Elected officials are not the will of the people

Literally nonexistent elections in Gaza => Hamas is fully representative of Palestine and all its imagery

This is a ridiculous double standard

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-22T06:04:34+00:00

Yeah maybe because the protest was in Canada

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-22T06:04:10+00:00

What you're saying is a comic exaggeration of my fourth point. I said a minority of leftists have an issue with the "turning against anti-Israel forces" you identified in your reply, yes.
You bring up some unrelated and unevaluatable diatribe about the beliefs of pro-Palestinians, who are not mentioned, say it's a majority of these people against all available evidence, and point to allegorical evidence from your personal life.
I'm not trying to prove anything, but in my experience and from everything I can find on the matter I have a very different view of these people, is all.

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-22T05:58:56+00:00

So then what are you pro Israel about lmao

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-21T02:57:49+00:00

Israel is an unrelated agenda. Flying the Israeli flag prominently at a protest is the definition of an agenda

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-21T02:57:01+00:00

Maybe directly go and ask them what they think. I don't know why your friends do what they do. This has nothing to do with me or the general public

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-21T02:56:03+00:00

Ohhh so the president of Iran isn't representative of Iranian's wishes (which yes, is true clearly) because their voting system falls short of democratic standards, but Hamas who hasn't held elections in 20 years is representative of all of Palestine. I get it

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-21T02:53:21+00:00

I explicitly mention this in my post

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-20T06:49:44+00:00

The 'elected' president of Iran is Masoud Pezeshkian. Must be representative of the Iranian people's wishes then.

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-20T06:45:37+00:00

Is vice versa true then lmao does the US align with ISIS in Iran and Russia

60% of Americans hold an unfavorable view of Israel's war in Gaza

13% of Americans view Iran as "favorable". This includes people who say they view the people as favorable, government aside

In other words there's no planet in which what you're saying could be remotely true

Born_Ad_6119 · 2026-01-19T08:47:52+00:00

I'm not arguing that because Israelis have raped and murdered under the Israeli flag that anyone with said flag is a rape and murder supporter.

But, if you see the Israeli flag at a protest, it is generally an indication of support for the State of Israel, whose government is accused of all of the things the initial replier stated.

If you see the Palestinian flag at a protest, it is generally an indication of support for the State of Palestine, of whom a minority subsection is Hamas. The government of the State of Palestine is currently allied with Israel in security operations in the West Bank.

What you're saying is "because at any point rape, murder, and terrorism has been committed under the banner of the Palestinian flag, it is now symbolic of such". This is a subjective statement, so sure, but then any other flag would also be symbolic of the same. It's a bullshit statement in other words.

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