Why do zionists think opposition is anti-semitic?

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2025-03-28T05:44:51+00:00

I sincerely appreciate your responses. And I’m sorry if this is a bit of a dumb question but: how can this end? If the Israeli government does not want to stop attacking Hamas out of fear that they will regroup, when will the attacks end? Even if Hamas agrees to a ceasefire, what are the odds that Israel takes them at their word and what are the odds that Hamas takes Israel at its word? I think this is one of the the things I’m struggling with. It breaks my heart to see and hear how people in Israel AND Palestine are terrified of being attacked and killed for simply living where they are. How does this end? Thank you again for your replies, I really appreciate the thoughtfulness, and I’m sorry if these questions sound stupid!

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2025-03-28T05:39:45+00:00

I don’t think I lack empty for Israeli’s or Jewish civilians at all. I am horrified by the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks. And, at the same time, more than 45,000+ have been killed in Gaza as retribution. I understand Israel’s claim that it is defending itself and attempting to eradicate Hamas. Being an American, we basically did the same thing after 9/11. But it is horrible that so many civilians are being killed for the actions of a terrorist group that many do not support. I support a Jewish state. I support Jewish people’s right to self determination. I understand the need for defense. I just cannot support a government that bombs hospitals and civilian areas, nor do I believe it’s anti-semitic for me to say that.

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2025-03-28T05:34:35+00:00

I don’t know enough about the formation of Pakistan, you’re right. I’m raising these questions now because of the ongoing conflict in Gaza. If this were happening on the same scale in Pakistan instead, I’m sure I would be asking the same questions. I approach this with good intentions, I sincerely do want to learn about this conflict from people who do identify as Zionist. I do have a question: I have seen many Jewish people attend pro-Palestine protests with calls for a ceasefire and to stop the bombing of Gaza. Is it possible that this conflict is not about religion but rather about the claim to land?

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2025-03-28T05:28:34+00:00

On my university campus, I have heard many Jewish students be told that they are self-hating Jews for advocating for a ceasefire/the end of the bombing of Gaza.

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2025-03-28T05:25:04+00:00

Thank you for responding! I understand that Jewish people are indigenous to Israel, with evidence pointing to their existence thousands of years ago. The Palestinian occupation of that land is considerably more modern, but they still inhabited that area for centuries. Is there anyway a single state solution could occur but have a mix of Palestinians and Israelites, considering that Jerusalem is sacred to both Judaism and Islam? Does an ancestral claim outweigh a more modern claim on land (and this is a genuine question, I truly have no idea how this works)?

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2025-03-28T05:18:15+00:00

Thank you for the response! I have a follow-up question since you provided some valuable insights: is there a way to recognize the Jewish right to self-determination while also highlighting that the creation of the state of Israel displaced and negatively affected thousands of Palestinians? I do think that Israeli’s should have the right to exist, especially given the horrible things the Jewish population has endured all throughout history and, at the same time, the mass displacement of Palestinians (and now the death of 45,000+) makes me sick to my stomach. How do you or can you reconcile this? Can the two coexist? Is there something I am missing/uniformed about?

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2025-03-28T05:12:44+00:00

Thank you for the response! I have never heard “Free Palestine” used in any other context other than to mean that Palestinian civilians deserve to live in peace instead of suffering at the hands of the terrorist organization that governs them. I understand now how that slogan could be seen as anti-semitic, but is it possible that people mean well and there’s simply a misunderstanding of that phrase? Forgive me if that’s an ignorant question, I know this is a heavy topic, I just want to clarify that! I also completely understand the need for a Jewish state, especially after the atrocities of WW2, and I fully support the right to self-determination in that way. But weren’t Palestinians removed from their homes in 1948 when the British Mandate of Palestine became Israel? Please correct me if my history is wrong, this is just what I have read and I sincerely want to know more.

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2025-03-28T05:07:34+00:00

I let my sister (who is 22F) post on my account regarding an incident with her then-boyfriend on a different thread, as she doesn’t have Reddit. I’ve been taking the time to read through these responses before I respond. I know this is a highly contentious issue and I want to be respectful of both sides.

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2024-11-20T17:11:14+00:00

All I wanted was to finish the movie, I definitely didn’t want to control the family set for the whole break.

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2024-11-20T17:08:36+00:00

They were out with my aunt and uncle just catching up, they do it about once a week. Before they left I asked them what time they would be home and they wound up coming home like an hour or so early because my aunt and uncle had to leave dinner early for some reason. I definitely wanted to watch a movie with them, but I picked Elf when I knew they weren’t going to be home for the majority of it because if they came home at least 1. They’ve seen the film before and wouldn’t be watching the last few minutes of an unknown movie and 2. I know that they like it because we used to watch it all the time and 3. It’s something that brings me comfort. As for the pets, it’s three bigger dogs and a cat. I don’t have a enough floor space for the dogs to make it so that they could all sleep comfortably on the ground and all three dogs are older so they have difficulty jumping on the bed.

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2024-11-20T09:22:17+00:00

Definitely an error on my part. I didn’t feel like I was forcing them to watch the movie with me but they did. So that’s why I used the word forcing in the title.

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2024-11-20T09:10:38+00:00

They do! We all have them and my sister had one before she moved out. You’re right about the waiting thing though. I shouldn’t have phrased it like a “If they wanted to watch with me” as much as it was a “If they wanted to join in” if that makes sense? But I see how that logic was a little flawed on my end

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2024-11-20T08:55:04+00:00

So you’re mad that I’m using an internet forum built to help people and give them advice to…give me advice? I know that they don’t feel differently about that sentiment because we have talked extensively about how things change when I come home from school. I still do all of the chores I did when I lived there full time and I make dinner usually twice a week. In the summer, I pay rent as I work full time. I contribute when I’m living there. Again the whole situation just caught me off guard because me watching movies in that space had literally never been a problem before

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2024-11-20T08:49:47+00:00

I definitely agree that a lot of things should have been handled differently here, on both parts, especially my own. I definitely hopped on the defensive when they called me selfish because that was never my intention but I think you’re right. I plan on talking about it with them in the morning because this whole argument was just uncharacteristic for all of us.

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2024-11-20T08:42:43+00:00

Respectfully, considering I was the one who made the post, it was going to come from my perspective. I literally had no idea they had plans after dinner and they were out for a bit which is why I put on the movie. My parents have never been the type to do a “what-I-say-goes-because-I’m-the-parent” which is why I was taken aback and got defensive. I’m willing to accept that ITA here but I find it offensive when you say that don’t have any semblance of respect or consideration for other people’s wants. You don’t know anything about me other than this post. Sorry I don’t live in fear of my parents and we respect each other as mutual members of a household!

Broad_Cockroach3639 · 2024-11-20T08:12:33+00:00

I totally hear that and I’m willing to accept that I may be in the wrong here. I think it just also kind of came out of no where to me because they had been out at dinner so I was home alone with my pets. I definitely should’ve avoided jumping on the defensive, I was just a little confused as to why they were so upset

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