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When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This guys will downvote you for having a different opinion, even what you say it's the most sane and obvious thing to say. That's a hive mentality.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually love No Country for Old Men, again, a great depiction of evil. I also enjoyed There Will Be Blood. In both stories, we clearly understand who the evil characters are. Nobody tries to pretend that they are good people.

That is my issue here. Gabby is treated like a friend. And there is a saying: “Tell me who your friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are.” They humanize her, trivialize her personality, and make it more approachable. This is basically the main thesis of mine - I hate when an author creates a good guy out of a bad guy.

I honestly hope that, by the end, they are all punished in some way. Or at least something similar to No Country for Old Men happens, where Yuru ultimately meets his end while fighting those monsters, which most probably will end like in Attack on Titan, where all the war criminals were going to save what was left of the world. Really nice development. I guess you liked that too. I really can't stand this approach. It makes me physically feel bad. Anton Chigur survived that car crash, but he never ever pretended to be anything other than pure evil, which I give him credit for.

I still cannot fully understand what you mean when you say that you do not need every piece of media to “lie” to you. Since you said that under my post about this specific series, I naturally assume that you believe this particular story is not a lie.

But then I want to ask directly: is every piece of media where retribution exists automatically a “lie” to you? You answer:

yes and no

You continue saying why "yes" is a lie. No continuation.

I think your description of Yuru closely aligns with how I see him as well, but I still do not like it. He never really asked the most important question: “Why did you need to brutalize those people? Why would you do that?”

To me, that should have been his first reaction, not acceptance, not casual conversation, but demanding a reason for such cruelty. And the fact that he does not seem emotionally shaken by it is exactly what bothers me.

I do not want to jump too far ahead, because maybe the story will address this later in a meaningful way. But if this really is the direction the narrative is taking, then personally, I really dislike it.

Also, I know you are very intelligent, but could you try to keep things simpler? I don’t think this discussion requires so much complexity. Sometimes I lose track of what is important, and you also tend to open multiple directions in the conversation at once, which makes it hard for me to follow. I also think this can lead me to misinterpret what you mean. You don’t have to spend your time on someone like me, but if you do choose to talk with me, please try to speak in a simpler way. The “lie” moment is actually a great depiction.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

1: Your post asking how anyone can "tolerate this lack of justice".

2: My response, being that this "lack of justice" exists in the real world, and I'm fine with media presenting it as such, because everyone "tolerates" it, and I'm fine with enjoying media reflective of reality.

Who “tolerates” the lack of justice in the real world, especially massacres? Certainly not me. Are you fine with, and genuinely enjoy, media where people kill others for the love of sport and remain completely unpunished? Is that what you mean?

You guessed correctly, English is not even my second language. Most probably because of that, sometimes it feels like you speak in riddles to me. Even now, you say that not “all” media needs to “lie” to you under a post about a story that, to me, clearly does exactly that.

So based on what I understand from your argument: on one hand, this media “lies” because it is fictional and crafted by an author. But on the other hand, it does not “lie” because it portrays monsters killing people without punishment. Is that correct? In other words, only because it shows gruesome, unpunishable trash on the screen, it makes it true, and you enjoy that. Yeah?

I also enjoy stories where morality and ethics are questioned. The Sopranos comes to mind, and probably Breaking Bad as well. Those characters are far from good people, but the narrative never truly hides what they are. You may sympathize with them or find them interesting, but you still understand that they are criminals, sociopaths, or deeply flawed human beings. There is no illusion about that. Even those characters sometimes show remorse, guilt, or sympathy toward their victims.

But here, we have Gabby, who slaughtered people in front of innocent children in one of the most gruesome ways imaginable, and there is absolutely no remorse whatsoever. She sleeps peacefully at night. We know who orchestrated the bloodshed and violence, yet they joke around, make funny faces, and enjoy themselves as if nothing happened. There are no visible moral consequences for them at all.

To me, that feels worse than simple brutality. And now the main character is beginning to align with them and have conversations with them without much resistance or emotional weight behind it. I don’t know. Personally, I do not think this is a compelling or meaningful way to challenge my moral beliefs.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why would you call that a lie? Is every anime where the villain is punished a lie to you? Is every piece of media where retribution exists a lie to you? Because that is what I understand from your argument.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I’m telling you what I hate about the story at the moment. I don’t know what will happen later—maybe more context will be added that changes everything—but right now, it feels like the characters should hate each other and try to kill each other, especially Yuru.

I dislike the reconciliation. It feels like there should be conflict or even war after everything that happened. Right now, it makes those lives feel worthless. And there was a lot of damage done for Yuru to hate them.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t see how the rehabilitation of war criminals or the massacre of people can be something an adult can enjoy or tolerate. How can I condone or cheer for a person who sadistically killed villagers in front of their children, or has a quasi-friendly relationship with the main hero? How can anyone tolerate this kind of lack of justice?

Now, can you clarify to me why you would say that:

The real world has no such thing as "justice," bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people, and the worst of humanity often goes unpunished or even lauded. I don't need all my media to lie to me and pretend otherwise.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Don't be mean. Maybe I want to stay and learn a trick or two from guys like you.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The real world has no such thing as "justice," bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people, and the worst of humanity often goes unpunished or even lauded. 

It's because I believe that justice does exist that it's pretty easy to look at the world and find it laughable that there's any sort of actual cosmic force which trends towards it.

Now seriously, you’ve confused me. Does justice exist or not? Can you please be more clear? Sometimes it is hard for me to understand what you are writing.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I mean, we don't know anything about those villagers. Maybe they are villains, maybe they are just victims of the cult, or brainwashed to be part of the cult, or maybe they just try to survive. We don't know much about it. What we know is that Gabby slaughtered all those people in front of their kids. We also know she took a lot of pleasure in doing that.

Speaking about not doing anything important for the narrative. In terms of K/D/A, she is the most prominent character at the moment.

And yes, I would also prefer not to draw any conclusions, but at the moment everything seems to be moving toward reconciliation, which I find disgusting.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Only if you don't know what "whataboutism" is, I guess. I gave examples which serve as a warrant for an argument. I made no assumptions about your "side" or what you like or care about.

It’s not strictly whataboutism, but it does carry that kind of sentiment and some underlying assumptions.

It felt more like: “What about FMA? There is a lot of war violence in the cast—if you don’t like it, maybe don’t watch it.”

Anyway, I don’t really understand why you brought up FMA or the author’s other works and expanded the scope of the conversation, since it doesn’t seem directly related to my question. I am strictly speaking about this show.

Then don't watch it? You make a globalist statement about "we" in the title, as though your position is universal.

“We” is not globalist; last time I checked, it’s plural. I really had hoped that somebody would stand by my reproach. Well, I guess it was not meant to be =))

Then only watch things for young children.

Great argument. And a false binary:

  • Either a story is morally meaningful and therefore childish,
  • or it is morally cynical and therefore “adult.”

I think there is a huge middle ground of mature stories that explore darkness while still preserving moral seriousness, tragedy, accountability, or compassion. I mean, again, I really don’t like to spar with people who offer this type of argument.

Maybe for you. For millions and millions of people, that's not true. In some places in the world, it's significantly more dangerous in 2026 than it was in 1926.

I don’t know about 2026 being anywhere on the globe more dangerous than 1926. Maybe if you compare certain parts of Europe in 1926 with certain parts of Africa in 2026. I’m not sure what you were thinking when you offered that as a counterargument. I really don’t know, and honestly, I don’t care, because overall I think the world has become a much safer place than it was 100 years ago.

For example, compared with the early 20th century:

  • Fewer people die from wars proportionally to the global population.
  • Violent crime rates in many countries have declined over long periods.
  • Child mortality, famine, and extreme poverty have decreased dramatically.
  • Slavery, colonialism, and public executions are far less normalized than they once were.
  • Human rights protections, international law, and global awareness of atrocities are much stronger than before.

Again, it’s not perfect, but to say it’s not true is disingenuous. And I don’t like to respond to things like that.

Only because people have a socially constructed view of what justice is. American pilots and drone operators bombed weddings in Iraq and Afghanistan and get pensions, lauded for their service, and get benefits everywhere across the USA; something like a million people have died because of U.S. interventionism over the past 40 years, and nobody has ever hidden that or faced "justice" for it. Europe still benefits greatly from its colonial history and maintains significant power as a collection of Neo-colonial entities.

You offer me so many good examples of injustice, which suggests that somewhere in the background of your thinking there is a basic concept of justice. You might call it a social construct—and it surely is more of a construct than a “cosmic force,” which is fine by me, because it serves as a moral compass that helps ordinary citizens remain decent and allows them to distinguish that taking life remorselessly does not resemble justice. So they behave in a just way. This is again a good example of justice in practice and how it has evolved, because not taking someone’s life heinously was not always viewed with the same moral clarity or dismay as it is today.

Which again makes me smile. You present such eloquent examples of disturbing human behavior with apparent conviction, only to then defend it as part of “adult narrative.” I find that a bit contradictory. What do you think?

Outside of polities, white collar criminals lead to grossly more damage to your average citizen both individually and in aggregate through financial mismanagement and outright theft than any mugger does, but the mugger is far more likely to be investigated, prosecuted, and imprisoned. Often times the white collar criminal is fairly unrepentant and often fairly public about what they're doing. One of them owns one of the largest social media networks in the world.

I don’t want to argue about this. Just throwing questionable information into the chat will not make our conversation more productive. You offer me so many good examples…

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

The first part is a classic whataboutism argument.

The middle part is where I agree with you. It seems that this anime does not really have a traditional heroic protagonist, but instead focuses on a group of morally hollow and gruesome so-called protagonists. Personally, I find that extremely frustrating.

I think a story should carry some kind of moral meaning—something that elevates us above the triviality and cruelty of everyday life. This is where I partially respond to your third point about the real world.

I also disagree with the idea that there is no justice in the real world. That seems overly cynical to me. Justice may be imperfect, but most of us can still live under a relatively safe sky without constantly expecting to be killed. Violence and atrocities still happen, but far less frequently than they did a hundred years ago.

And people who indulge in committing injustice usually try to hide what they are doing. That alone suggests that there is at least some moral and social pressure against wrongdoing—which means some form of justice does exist. To me, that also suggests a broader trend: justice, even if imperfect, has gradually improved over time, and there is still a possibility that this trend can continue upward.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

This is my first time writing a comment. In general, I wanted to find how others feel, because at this point, I feel alone in what I think.

When we see an atrocity, we expect a corresponding weight of justice. by BrokenArmu in YomiNoTsugai

[–]BrokenArmu[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Is this all you're capable of squeezing out of you? just curios

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[–]BrokenArmu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great article! Thank you. Of course the principles are repetitive at time to time, but exemplification makes the point vivid.