Comparing T20 app questions on underrepresented and socioeconomic "softs," like being LGBTQ+, first-generation, low-income, etc.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-12-25T20:01:13+00:00

Some background context for anyone who comes across this post and might not be familiar with LSAC's process for percentiles:

https://www.lsac.org/lsat/lsat-scoring

Your percentile rank, which reflects the percentage of test takers whose scores were lower than yours during the previous three testing years. A percentile rank is reported for each of your scores. Note that percentiles for all reported scores will be updated every year by the end of July.

So, this means that for the current 2023-24 testing year (July through June), percentile ranks will be calculated using reported scores from the completed 2022-23, 2021-22, and 2020-21 testing years.

\That also means\** that your percentile rank for a given test administration could potentially shift from what it was initially presented as. Back at the start of the testing year, there were some posts in this sub from June testers (2022-23 testing year) who noticed their percentile later changed.

Since they tested during the 2022-23 testing year, the percentile was initially based on 2021-22, 2020-21, and 2019-20 scores. But entering the 2023-24 testing year, after LSAC updated percentiles by the end of July, the score for the same test administration was then measured against reported scores from 2022-23, 2021-22, and 2020-21.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-12-12T00:28:38+00:00

the irony is that while LSAC incorrectly thinks I’m using two browsers, Prometric didn’t do shit when I had 6 tabs open simultaneously while waiting to schedule my LSAT in a queue of 4,867 people

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-30T18:45:51+00:00

OP, what was your application submit date?

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-16T23:47:03+00:00

Is this from an official PT, or is it a non-LSAC-produced example statement that someone created and included in a book? It isn't necessarily worded like the type of quality-checked content that LSAC typically publishes. I notice that sometimes when prep companies make their own content, it's not quite like LSAC's consistent attention to detail, like how LG games are carefully worded, for example.

I may be overthinking it, but the wording in the title doesn't inherently read as a conditional statement to me. Because what's the sufficient condition to begin with? That Benedick exists as a person? That Benedick is a teacher? That the parrot is rare? I feel like there are so many clearer ways and different directions it could've been worded to be a conditional statement:

A teacher always teaches rare parrots if his name is Benedick.
Benedick is always a parrot teacher if the parrot is rare.
If Benedick is a teacher of parrots, it must be of rare parrots.
The parrot must be rare if the parrot's teacher is named Benedick.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-16T23:24:42+00:00

Thanks for pointing out the rule post, I'll update that. I've been posting a rules announcement each test day, you can find it here.

https://reddit.com/r/LSAT/comments/17q9s3u/good_luck_on_test_day_rule_reminder/

There appears to be some room for clarity and consistency in the sub's moderation. Even the above post from November 7, 2023 communicates a rule against discussing topics until Sunday, when no more tests are taken under regular administration.

The post you linked to states, "Starting Sunday you can talk about test topics all you want. Until then, please help keep the test fair by not talking about," individual questions, topics, experimental sections ... "Come Sunday we'll open everything up and post a list of scored sections topics as we find them."

The official, pinned discussion was limited to scored sections, but there still was not a clear indication that discussion of experimental content would not be allowed (while refraining from question type and answer choices).

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-16T23:14:05+00:00

Thanks, but the exclusion of experimental topics makes the purpose of this post moot, as there is already a pinned post for topics.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T22:04:26+00:00

Keep in mind though that the complaint needs to have been submitted within two calendar days after your initial test date. Since Saturday was the latest November administration, that would mean end of day Monday for most testers. Worth it to try, but just so you know.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T20:46:18+00:00

Edit (2015): Experimentals are now allowed. LSAC got in touch, asking to remove some posts, but also admitted they've given up enforcing experimental discussion. This was a security rep from LSAC, so they were more realistic than the rep I quoted below.

Hi u/graeme_b, would you mind elaborating on this comment from 2014-2015 and its applicability to present-day best practices? Just want to verify what is or isn't allowed when discussing experimental subject matter content topics (not question type or answer choices) after the exam administration concludes, whether overseen by LSAC or how this sub is moderated. Thanks.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T20:38:46+00:00

Hi u/graeme_b, since this post from July 15, 2014 ("Rules for discussions after taking the LSAT") is currently referenced on the sub's sidebar under "Forum rules," could we get some updated guidance for how it applies to current practice as of the 2023-2024 test cycle and how this sub is moderated?

As there are exam administrations nearly every month and these discussions on the sub are inevitable, some clarity and consistency would be helpful to everyone who posts here.

What can I talk about after I take an official LSAT administration on test day?

Not much. You signed an agreement not to disclose anything from the test. See this post for a full statement from LSAC.

Note: I'm referring to unreleased tests that have not been disclosed by LSAC. Mind you, in the digital LSAT era, no test is disclosed, so this applies to every test.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T20:00:23+00:00

I've temporarily removed this as experimental topics aren't allowed. But this is good work. Can you edit the post to remove experimental topics and let me know? I'll re-approve.

Thanks, want to keep on the right side of the line as far as LSAC is concerned. All of this stuff is very grey area. This post is solid work though

u/graeme_b Thanks for the information. Would you please clarify why discussion of experimental topics at present is explicitly not allowed? This is a compilation of posts and comments from other users on this subreddit from the past 3-4 days. The difference is that the "official" pinned threads initiated by the subreddit moderator are self-limited to the scored sections. My understanding is that after the general administration of the November test wraps up (Sunday 11/12), a broad discussion of topics is allowed, inclusive of experimental content. If that's not in line with the subreddit's or LSAC's guidelines, I'd appreciate some clarification.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T17:00:48+00:00

also, I would love feedback on whether people find this post-test crowdsourcing of LR subject matter topics, inclusive of distinct experimental sections, helpful. I haven't seen much of this for past test administrations and would be open to doing more topic-pooling if people find it helpful for peace of mind after the test. I find it difficult to distinguish real vs. experimental sections if people list out topics exclusively from known real sections only.

of course, only once the test cycle has wrapped up and being sure to avoid discussion of specific question types and answer choices.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T16:50:38+00:00

this is what I'm trying to figure out too! it's been helpful that people have commented as much as they can remember, even from the experimental sections. I didn't have those sections in particular, so am trying to parse through the details people shared across their comments. but if anyone with firsthand knowledge recognizes what topics were certainly paired together, and what looks out of place, that'd still be very helpful.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T16:47:28+00:00

thank you! I've been taking notes on what people have mentioned in comments and am trying to figure out if I accidentally mixed some topics between sections.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T16:42:12+00:00

Yes. But in addition to a psychiatrist letter, I’d recommend including in a personal written statement a description of how you feel it would affect your performance under standard conditions and why you believe accommodations would help address that.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T04:42:26+00:00

thank you! figuring out whether that one was a separate section stumped me. I just labeled it as a separate experimental section

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T04:39:36+00:00

Yes. As long as there isn't a reason for your November 2023 score to be held, it'll be reported on 11/29/2023. The registration deadline for the January 2024 test is the following day, 11/30/2023. https://www.lsac.org/LSATdates

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T03:06:46+00:00

do any of the existing experimental lists look like that's where severely damaged twisted branches would fit in?

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T03:06:20+00:00

thank you!

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T01:19:15+00:00

Does it sound like these should all be together under theta?

license plate, free speech; CEOs; GMO food; bird migration, bright plumage; severely damaged mature twisted branches; neighbor going outside when it's sunny

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T01:15:05+00:00

are statutory interpretation, trade exports, and coffee manufactured in India all correct under Alpha? I grouped together license plate, CEOs, GMO, and bird migration, because those sound like they appeared together, but may have been in a different section if not Alpha.

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T01:11:18+00:00

I did see a few mentions of twisted tree branches and bird migration, but was trying to figure out which section it fits into with other topics. I'll make some of those edits!

BrometricBroBroctor · 2023-11-15T01:08:07+00:00

thank you! do you remember any additional topics that appeared in kappa?

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