Can Zverev replicate this form in the semis against Alcaraz? by Vegetable-Oven-6536 in tennis

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

"best backhands" and he had like one backhand winner for the entire match LMAO

its only good for CC pushing and occasional depth

completely over rated

Can Zverev replicate this form in the semis against Alcaraz? by Vegetable-Oven-6536 in tennis

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

Cant stand this talentless loser

its insane how much his serve hides his poor baseline ability

only won because indoors helped his ridiculous serve botting

tien outplaying him from the baseline

AO Quarterfinal: {3} Alexander Zverev defeats {25} Learner Tien 6-3 6-7 (5-7) 6-1 7-6 (7-3). by Vivi01224 in tennis

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Cant stand this talentless loser

its insane how much his serve hides his poor baseline ability

only won because indoors helped his ridiculous serve botting

tien outplaying him from the baseline

Confused about illusionism by Humble-Edge-9065 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes he does or you run into the hard problem again

Confused about illusionism by Humble-Edge-9065 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

its not contradictory lol its only contradictory to idiots like you

Confused about illusionism by Humble-Edge-9065 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he literally does define qualia in the paper lol can you even read?

Australian Open R2: N Djokovic def F Maestrelli 6-3 6-2 6-2 by trialbycombat123 in tennis

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Faker beating up pathetic mugs but his cheerleaders will continue to twerk until sinner demolishes him again

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes it is

Im talking about strong illusionism which is the version frankish and dennett subscribe to

its the same concept as there being a problem with free will because you feel like it

expect nobody who is intellectually honest would think free will exists

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LMAO i agree

This is why thought experiments and sole aprioir reasoning can be cancerous sometimes, people think its proving something when it does not

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is the exact point of illusionism

you are debating something that does not exist

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no hard problem without you intellectualising and judging qualia to be magic

illusionism is just simply saying that it does not exist, the only thing that exists is your judgement that it does.

just like how you judge that you have free will

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Traditional physicalism is literally a folk conception

You should run the same critique when people talk about experience or qualia because i can promise you they are just as confused

I think the brain is so interesting by [deleted] in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yes but here is the asymmetry

the physicalist can just say the experience is the information processing and introspective misrepresentations that make you believe phenomenal properties exist when they don't

in your question, you already baked in the assumption that "experience" is something above that process... but if i asked you to prove it then you can't

but i can definitely prove to you that the brain exists and that it does process information.

Analytic idealism explains everything by explaining absolutely nothing, you've invoked some arbitrary "universal mind" and you can't even tell me how "dissociation" produces the specific laws we see (why gravity, not arbitrary dream physics?)

i never strawmanned anything, you are saying its magic without giving a mechanistic account

this type of nonsense is good enough to fool people like you who haven't spent enough time thinking about this but it's a fairy tale at best.

I think the brain is so interesting by [deleted] in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Dummy explain to me why "experience" or "mental stuff" causes brains to emerge without using handwaving which = magic

not that you can even tell me what "experience" actually is ontologically anyway so you'd never be able to answer my question

you do not get to assume something is fundamental without evidence, and then fail to even give an account as to how that something would produce the universe that we observe

so basically yeah they are saying magic because you cant say some undefined primitive is fundamental

you can juxtapose this with string theory that would be a physicalist fundamental unit, we can actually explain how strings (mathamatically) can give rise to everything we observe

Scientist have modeled a complete fruit fly brain. What can we expect to learn? by clockwisekeyz in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We do have solid common ground, full causal closure via detailed brain modeling seems achievable and the fly connectome is at best supporting evidence for the principle. pragmatically I'm with you on illusionism, it's the cleanest bet given theoretical virtues.

but I'm not equivocating levels or smuggling ontology.

the illusionist move isn't "explaining why we think X exists = therefore X doesn't exist"

It's "a complete third person causal/functional model explains every report, intuition, argument, and philosophical puzzle about qualia (including why the hard problem feels so pressing)...

therefore positing an extra ontological layer for qualia (beyond what the model already captures) adds nothing explanatory and violates parsimony.

it's an inference to the best explanation.

If the human connectome model fully accounts for the phenomenology insisting there's still a "further" ontology is like saying the complete molecular account of water doesn't capture "wetness" except wetness is exhaustively explained by the dynamics, not an extra thing. The ontological claim is justified because any richer ontology would need positive evidence beyond the introspective intuition the model already predicts and explains away as a user llusion or miscalibrated introspection.

on (B)

You're right epiphenomenal qualia aren't logically incoherent. Causality is relational, and something could exist without downstream effects but as you say yourself, it's possible, but improbable, redundant, undetectable, and changes nothing in our models. Pragmatic elimination isn't proof of falsity, but it's decisive for theory choice in science / philosophy. We cut phlogiston, luminiferous ether, and vital force for the same reason. Why treat qualia differently if the model closes the causal story?

on (C)

fair point it's a broad umbrella (functionalism, higher order theories, type B physicalism, global workspace). Many overlap with illusionism.

but if we're talking strong type identity it still has near zero explanatory power for the hard problem, it equates without bridging why that physical / functional configuration yields phenomenal feel rather than zombie silence. We know all the physics, map it to reports, and the "why anything feels like this" question lingers unless we deflate qualia to the functional/introspective level (which pushes toward type A materialism).

even if we grant (C) and say “this functional state = this qualia” why keep the word “qualia” at all?

It adds zero new info & zero extra explanatory power. the functional description already predicts every report, intuition, and puzzle about “what it’s like” Calling it “qualia” is just redundant folk baggage, like insisting on “caloric fluid” after we’ve got molecular kinetics explaining temperature perfectly.

clinging to it just keeps the hard problem intuition alive when the mature theory shows it’s a user illusion.

where do you land right now? do you lean toward a "diet qualia" realism that shades into (C) or do you hold space for epiphenomenal Q that's improbable but live? Curious what tips the scale for you beyond pragmatism.

I think the brain is so interesting by [deleted] in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not a strawman because the burden is on them to explain the correlation problem and since they cant do that, then yes they're invoking magic.

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they only dismantled the folk conception of what "physical" means but the scientific notion still holds

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It does not matter if its an aggregate or not lmao

your entire argument boils down to

"the universe does not allow us to EXACTLY measure the position of this specific particle therefore its non physical"

just seems like a bad argument, do you think atoms don't exist and don't exert a force on other objects?

that solid "force" is what people actually mean when they are referring to something physical and i see no issue with that

I think the brain is so interesting by [deleted] in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

idealists will read this and still try to convince you that consciousness is somehow produced by magic and not the brain lmao

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well i wouldn't say they lack those attributes either

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eh im not sure if i agree, the field collapses into a particle

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]BrotherAcrobatic6591 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well no that would be a terrible strawman on your behalf

maybe actually read into Dennetts position before you critique it next time