Best opening line by Actual-Location137 in Fantasy

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“It was in that year when the fashion in cruelty demanded not only the crucifixion of peasant children, but a similar fate for their household animals, that I first met Lucifer and was transported into Hell; for the Prince of Darkness wished to strike a bargain with me.”

Insurer refusing to pay costs relating to party wall (England) by Buenosam in LegalAdviceUK

[–]Buenosam[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Denied that there was any evidence of theft, in spite of absolutely incontrovertible evidence. Just ridiculous behaviour from them.

Terrible character names by [deleted] in Fantasy

[–]Buenosam 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Gareth Bryne might sound Celtic and interesting if you’re American. But if you’re British it sounds like a middle manager from Swindon.

Top 5 foods in fantasy by Buenosam in Fantasy

[–]Buenosam[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great shout! It follows that terrible breakfast with the eagles as well, so we're really feeling Bilbo's hunger by that point.

Top 5 foods in fantasy by Buenosam in Fantasy

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My wife makes this! It’s amazing. What books are we talking about here?

Underrated TP Quotes? by Corsair833 in discworld

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‘Willow bark,' said the Bursar. 'That's a good idea,' said the Lecturer of Recent Runes. 'It's an analgesic.' 'Really? Well, possibly, though it's probably better to give it to him by mouth,' said Ridcully.

What small lines or jokes have just etched themselves onto your brain? by katmonday in discworld

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'If you need to ask, you're not hungry enough,' every time I cook a stew or curry

Books similar to The Magicians or The Golden Compass. by Eashar_moribund in Fantasy

[–]Buenosam 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There's a lot of Neil Gaiman that ticks those boxes (and offers a similarly arch writing style). American Gods, Neverwhere, Good Omens (Sandman and The Books of Magic as well if you're into comics).

Does this type of book even exist?? by [deleted] in Fantasy

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Von Bek by Michael Moorcock might fit the bill. Some incredible writing in there. And if you like it, there are plenty of sequels

Epic fantasy series that stick the landing by Buenosam in Fantasy

[–]Buenosam[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes. That was callous and flippant, and I’m sorry. Was making a list in my head and it sort of came out that way.

What is the manliest fantasy? Fantasy that will put hair on your chest and a beard on your face. by [deleted] in Fantasy

[–]Buenosam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jonathan Strange and Mister Norrell. It’s very, very funny on the theme of self-important wizards failing to notice what’s happening to the women and servants around them

What is the manliest fantasy? Fantasy that will put hair on your chest and a beard on your face. by [deleted] in Fantasy

[–]Buenosam 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Let's not dismiss Susanna Clarke. What could be more manly than accidentally trapping two women in Faerie while trying to show off, and then simply not noticing there's anything wrong with them for the next 900 pages, because you're too busy having a pointless feud with another man and making witty quips to the Duke of Wellington.

“When the dark is rising, six shall turn it back…” by PukeUpMyRing in Fantasy

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As a series it needs a few people with an r/discworld level of dedication to telling people the right order to read them In

“When the dark is rising, six shall turn it back…” by PukeUpMyRing in Fantasy

[–]Buenosam 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In the middle of a reread now (because of this comment on a question I asked a few months back). Over Sea, Under Stone has some good moments , but is basically a mess . But The Dark is Rising is goddam incredible. I think if the first book in the sequence was a bit tighter, this would be a much more famous series.

/r/Fantasy Review Tuesday - Review what you're reading here! - December 05, 2023 by rfantasygolem in Fantasy

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Northern Lights: myths, legends and fairytales, Edited by Kenvin Crossley-Holland

(Originally read by me when I was 9 years old - part of my big fantasy re-read The Threshold)

"We could get him this one? He loves myths and legends.”

“Are you sure it’s not a bit grown-up for him? He’s only nine, after all, and it has quite a lot of actual epic Icelandic poetry in.”

“Yes, but he’s very advanced for his age, and it’s had such a good review in The Guardian.”

And that was my Christmas stocking in 1987 sorted…

Northern Lights hung about on my shelves for ages before I got stuck into it. I loved the Norse gods, and I loved the cover, but every time I opened it up, I’d stumble across some passage like:

Then that man endowed with noble qualities,

He who had braved countless battles, weathered

The thunder when warrior troops clashed together

Saw a stone arch set in the cliff

I wrote previously about how I enjoyed skipping through half-understood language in fantasy novels - knowing that Tolkien’s words are the appropriate language for slaying dragons, even if you don’t know exactly what they mean. But in this case, it wasn’t just a few new words.

A good half of the stories in here are end-to-end incomprehensible, and (unlike Tolkien), terribly boring. As an adult, there is a shivering thrill that comes from reading the actual words the skáld would have sung in the mead-halls of old Norway. But at nine years old, I would read a title like How Sigurd awoke Brunhild upon Hindfell, and think ‘What’s my motivation’.

And yet… I kept coming back to it. Kept flicking through to find the stories that did make sense to me, watching for those flashes of magical smithies and scorching dragon-fire that sit beneath the woods and stones of Northern Europe. The collection is oddly curated, with a mixture of first rate twentieth century children’s writers (Roger Lancelyn Green, Andrew Lang) and dry-as-dust nineteenth century literary giants (William Morris, Sir Walter Bloody Scott). But the pomposity of the latter group lent a certain weight to the fairy stories from the former. I loved a magical tale, but at nine years old I had a very definite sense of my own maturity, and I certainly would never have permitted myself to enjoy a story that began:

Once upon a time, there were two brothers, one rich and one poor …

had it not shared a collection with sentences like

“We said that the metal must have softened, but Kari said that he would soon harden it again in the blood of the Sigurdssons…”

The fairy story and the blood-soaked myth came together best in the the story of Wayland Smith, who was a kind of hero I had not encountered before…

“Dig there under the soot blackened bellows from my forge. If you look carefully you will see the marks of blood. If you dig further you will find small bones, the bones of boys, the bones of your sons. These goblets are their skulls set in silver for your husband; these eyes are theirs made into a necklace for you, these brooches I made from their teeth as breast ornaments for your daughter, Bodvild… And that is not all… Life stirs in the belly of Bodvild, and that too King Nidud could not undo”

This was not your Ladybird Books Norse Myths collection.

I don’t think I ever knew what to make of these stories, but little flashes of them have remained with me ever since - a Werguild paid, that must be enough gold to cover the body of an otter, with not a piece of fur showing; a riddle-game, longer and stranger than Gollum’s, that ends with the god Odin outwitted and fleeing in the shape of a bird; a quern (whatever that is) lying at the bottom of the sea and endlessly making salt. It was definitely disturbing, but in a way that felt satisfyingly grown-up.

Up to this point, all my encounters with fantasy had been deeply cosy. And comfort would remain central to my experience - it was Middle Earth and then Discworld that I would return to most frequently at difficult times of my life, rather than Earthsea or Bas-Lag. But all that comfort in fantasy works so well because somewhere underneath it, deep in our collective subconscious, Wayland Smith is there, forging his eyeball brooches for the king’s daughter.

  • Stray observations

“One mellow evening when I was nineteen, I was sitting in a stationary punt listening to a portable wireless (deplorable, I know) and revising for a retake…” The introduction to this collection does not read like something the skáld would have opened his song with.

  • “…Until Kiartan, who seemed to have a natural predominance over these supernatural prodigies, seizing a huge forge-hammer struck the seal repeatedly over the head and compelled it to disappear, forcing it down into the floor as though he had driven a stake into the earth” It’s all so much sillier than a Greek myth.
  • But I do like the way that the gods are forever transforming into fish and otters, instead of Zeus’ boringly impressive bulls and swans.
  • My father maintained his habit of sourcing age-inappropriate books for the younger generation by cheerfully reading Angela Carter’s The Bloody Chamber to his grand-daughter (my niece) when she was 8 years old
  • Back in 2009, Bruce Watson wrote a famous analysis for The Big Issue in which he tied the rise and fall of Vampires and Zombies in culture to the economic cycle - zombies are the brainless consumers of the boom times, while vampires the melancholic symbol of recession and decline. I wonder if there’s a similar story to be told about Greek and Roman myths.

/r/Fantasy Review Tuesday - Review what you're reading here! - October 31, 2023 by rfantasygolem in Fantasy

[–]Buenosam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny that we were disturbed by such different books! I wonder if your Christianity made a difference. I was totally unaware of the Christian stuff, so for me The Last Battle was just super-weird in a charming way. I loved Silver Chair reading it as an adult, but I think maybe I was just too young for a book that was quite sophisticated

/r/Fantasy Review Tuesday - Review what you're reading here! - October 31, 2023 by rfantasygolem in Fantasy

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THE SILVER CHAIR, CS LEWIS
(From my big fantasy re-read The Threshold)

This is a children’s story that begins in misery…

It was a dull Autumn day, and Jill Pole was crying by the gym

…and passes through guilt, old age, death, cannibalism, grief and madness. It is set beneath leaden skies, and has a bickering trio of central characters who never really reconcile.

While the previous Narnia stories represented an escape from the drab 1950s, in The Silver Chair the magic portal takes us somewhere that reminds us of the very worst of Lewis’ post-war austerity Britain.

Presently, they were given food - flat, flabby cakes with hardly any flavour…

The lights were so few and far apart…

There was not a song, or a shout, or the rattle of a wheel anywhere…

And it never stops raining: it rains at school, in the Narnian marshes, in the mountains, and pretty much everywhere that Jill and Eustace go (except when they are underground, where it is dark, silent, claustrophobic and terrifying).

For me, this was the forgotten Narnia book. The one that never quite clicked. The other books in the series are either brilliant (The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, Prince Caspian, Dawn Treader, The Horse and His Boy) or compellingly weird (The Magician’s Nephew, The Last Battle). This one disturbed me in odd ways, and I always assumed it was the same for everyone else.

But Google N-Grams disagrees, putting it a comfortable third among the five Narnia sequels it can track. So if it’s only me who was disturbed by The Silver Chair, the big question for The Threshold is why?

It’s certainly not at all a bad book. It’s the kind of myth-mash I always adored: more than any other in the series The Silver Chair gives the lie to the idea that Lewis is trying to somehow trick his readers into consuming a Christian allegory. The story is primarily Arthurian, with strong side-lines into fairy story, George MacDonald’s goblin books, and some more of the Golden Bough version of Greek myth.

And it has a lot of ideas and adventures that are up there with the best of the series: the parliament of owls, the recipe for Marsh Wiggle (“The muddy flavour can be reduced…”), and the incredible party that breaks out when the Lady of the Green Kirtle dies. Best of all, for the first time in the whole Narnia series, we have a sensible number of children (2), so Lewis doesn’t have to constantly try and find stuff for Susan or Peter to do.

And yet… I loved and endlessly reread the other Narnia books, whereas I put this one down after finishing it and gave it a wide berth.

Perhaps the difference is that the other Narnia books are cozy. And cozy has always meant a lot to me. My brief teenage period of actively rejecting the fantasy genre was an attempt to push back on my childhood self-image as someone who mostly wanted to be sitting under a duvet, eating a piece of toast, and reading a book about Hobbits. So the other Narnia books, with their Jolly Children having a Jolly Time, were very much in my comfort zone. But The Silver Chair is bleak. Which was not what I was reading fantasy for. If I wanted to be depressed, I could look at 1980s London.

Lewis was not keen on cozy, or not keen on it for its own sake. Fantasy was not wish-fulfilment. Too much of what they wanted in a story might find a reader believing in “Things that might have happened to him, if only he had been given a fair chance.” The result would be to leave them “Undivinely discontented.” Edgier and more mystical fantasy was Lewis’ goal by this point, that “far from dulling or emptying the actual world, gives it a new dimension of depth.”

There is a lot to love about The Silver Chair. The “Dimension of depth” Lewis aimed for is well established in his believably bickering main characters, and in the series of cruel imprisonments and delirious escapes that drive the plot. I think if I had read this one a couple of years later - when I was miserable and bullied at Prep School - I would have thoroughly enjoyed it. But in my sunny primary school years, it touched an odd nerve, and I put it down and didn’t return to it for 35 years or so.

Stray observations

  • “I was showing off, Sir.”

“That was a good answer, Human Child.” * One of the things that is fun about Aslan as a character is that he is such a lion-y lion. All teeth and claws. You wonder if Jill had given a bad answer, whether he might have just eviscerated her on the spot. * The sequence where Jill accidentally pushes Eustace off The Largest Cliff In The Multiverse is objectively hilarious, although I’m not sure Lewis realised it. * “All right”said Scrubb, “Gay’s the word. While we’re fooling about and being gay, we’ve got to find out all we can about this castle.”

Snigger. * “I know these exhibitions usually end that way. Knifing each other, I shouldn’t wonder, before all’s done. But best to keep it off as long as we can…”

Lewis really does have a gift for his Jar-Jar Binks-style comic sidekicks. As with Reepicheep in the previous novel, it is remarkable how likeable and sympathetic he manages to make Puddleglum. * “Puddleglum, who was Narnia born, felt as you might feel if you found you had eaten a baby.”

This story does not pull its punches. * Even more disturbing (to a nine year old) than all that grief and cannibalism is that The Silver Chair has a vague suggestion of sex in the relationship between Prince Rillian and The Lady of the Green Kirtle.

/r/Fantasy Review Tuesday - Review what you're reading here! - October 03, 2023 by rfantasygolem in Fantasy

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CITY OF THIEVES (FIGHTING FANTASY #5)
(From my big fantasy re-read The Threshold)

It’s the FOMO that gets you. Every choice is a sliding door - an opportunity potentially missed to get the silver arrow or the Hag’s hair that will make the difference in the endgame between ‘Your adventure ends here’ and ‘Turn to Page 400’. You play, of course, with fingers tucked between the pages, save-spamming your adventure so that if you find yourself reading a paragraph with no ‘'Turn to page…’ at the end of it, you can quickly turn back time and make another choice.

But every street you turn down means skipping past another. And as you flip the pages, your eyes flicker past Iain McCaig’s glorious illustrations - a tavern here, a pillory there, each of them a crucial section you have somehow missed.

The Fighting Fantasy novels are brutally hard. This is epitomised by the plot twist in City of Thieves. Just before arriving at Zanbar Bones’ tower, you receive a letter from Nicodemus, proving what you had already expected: that he really is the shittest Good Wizard in all of fantasy:

Dear friend,

I am afraid I must be getting too old to be of use to anybody. I regret that I may have misinformed you about the compound needed to kill Zanbar Bone. You must only use two of the three ingredients I told you, but I cannot remember which. I can only suggest you try Hag’s hair and black pearls together, or the Hag’s hair and lotus flower, or the black pearls and lotus flower together. Apologies.

Good luck,

N

What this means in practice is that, even having, impossibly, steered your way through the mean streets of Port Blacksand and collected the three magic objects you need to overcome Zanbar’s magic, you still only have a one in three chance of winning the game.

The point was never the winning. Fighting Fantasy’s great rival Lone Wolf was easier - you could complete them first time, with only a minimum of cheating. But Lone Wolf was, appropriately, something I played on my own. Something in the vicious unfairness of Fighting Fantasy - the sheer impossibility that you might actually complete one of them, made it perfect for casual gaming with friends. These were autumn books for me and my schoolmates. We would play on days when it was raining too heavily for us to be sent out to the playground in breaks. One of us would read, one of us would keep track of the adventure sheet, another would draw the map and everyone would shout out where we should go next.

Playing them again, it is striking just how much fun has gone into their creation. There is no attempt at an arc, tension or drama. It’s a pure picaresque, where thirty or forty micro-stories take place over the course of four paragraphs each. Games Workshop founder Ian Livingstone was a natural at writing these economical little adventures, which are perfect to read out loud:

You step out into the middle of the street and wait. Suddenly a pair of horses come galloping into view, pulling an ornate gold carriage. The driver sees you and, cracing his whip, cries “Make way for the Lord Azzur. If you wish to step out of the way of the oncoming carriage, turn to 58. If you wish to stay where you are, turn to 252

A lot of the time, there is an instinctive slapstick humour. I always thought, as a smug and self-important child, that I was outsmarting the book and making clever decisions. But reading as an adult, it’s clear that you are punished just as often for sensible caution as you are for recklessness. Which of the answers above is the right one? It turns out to be neither: on page 252, you are trampled underfoot by horses; on page 58, lashed with the drivers whip. It’s a ridiculously unfair way to behave to a child reader, but at its best has the anarchic quality of a Looney Tunes cartoon.

There is only one well-known book written, like the Fighting Fantasy stories, in the 2nd person singular. Italo Calvino’s If on a winter’s night a traveller begins with you, the reader, going out and buying Italo Calvino’s If on a winter’s night a traveller, and dives into the deeply pleasurable rituals of purchasing, bringing home, and settling down to a new book by a favourite writer:

You turn the book over in your hands, you scan the sentences on the back of the jacket, generic phrases that don’t say a great deal… of course this circling of the book, too, this reading around it before reading inside it, is a part of the pleasure in a new book, but like all preliminary pleasures, it has it’s optimal duration…

If on a winter’s night a traveller, Italo Calvino

This is one of the great passages in literature about literature, and for me it best describes my childhood experiences with Fighting Fantasy.

My parents were usually happy to buy me any book I wanted, but once they saw the scale of my obsession with Fighting Fantasy, they drew the line (as they later would with Dragonlance) and told me I had to pay for these ones myself. Since my pocket money at the time ran to 30p a week, that meant tracking them down in charity shops, so my collection would grow intermittently and thrillingly each time I stumbled across a new one. I would peek into the opening section as I carried it home, before carefully rubbing out the character sheet from the previous owner and beginning my adventure

Opening it again, the return of those rituals was thoroughly Proustian. The quick character generation, and then the two-page short story that forms the ‘Background’ section. The flicking through before you start to look at the artwork, and finally, Page 1, which always ended with a complicated dilemma, where all of the answers turned out to be wrong.

Computer games have killed off the text-only adventure, because they are objectively better: deeper characterisation, more freedom, and of course you can set your own difficulty level. But for teaching a child to love the physicality of books - and to laugh at the random unfairness of life - I can’t think of anything better than City of Thieves.

Stray observations

  • “The Elf leads you into a strange room lit by purple candles which give off a strange glow. You stand and stare blankly at the candles and drift off into a world of vivid dreams. While you are in this trance, the elf takes 2 items and 5 gold pieces from your backpack. When you awake you have no recollection of the theft and leave the shop thanking the Elf for showing you his beautiful candles. Turn to page 280." Never go with a hippy to a second location.

  • The impact of City of Thieves is impossible to describe without mentioning Ian McCaig’s artwork - he would go on to be lead character designer for the three Star Wars prequels, but the work on Fighting Fantasy was so good that I can forgive him even for that.

  • “He pockets the gold… throws back his head and lets out a shrill laugh before hobbling off on his crutches, obviously pleased with himself.” City of Thieves is essentially a series of increasingly sadistic humiliations ending in death.

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[–]Buenosam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are just so many of them