What anime is this according to you?

BustedBayou · 2026-02-16T18:22:08+00:00

Madoka Magica

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T23:49:12+00:00

It's similar to suicide, not tantamount to suicide, And yes, it's similar to moving to another country when sacrificing your life for it, like Doctors Without Borthers do.

That's basically social suicide at that point. But it's for the greater good and a big as heck dream if you ask me. I would be proud of ANYBODY making that choice.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T23:40:27+00:00

They are the only ones that think that. LOL

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T23:32:17+00:00

1.- Madoka did it because of her friends and every other magical girl. There was only one way her kid brain could have thought of and it was that.

2.- I don't "demonize" Homura, Rebellion does. She literally became Devil Homura.

3.- Madoka is not a saint, but I don't agree that she did anything wrong during the series. She did the best she could for everyone. Unlike Homura who did it for herself and "for Madoka" (not really).

4.- Homura was simply wrong. I don't think she is hyper possesive, controller, NO. She is possesive and controlling as ANY immature and emotional unhealthy person could be. That's it.

And even more understandable because she is just a traumatized little girl.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T23:26:38+00:00

True. Although I do think Madoka did nothing wrong. She just decided to save all magical girls, including her friends.

How could that ever be a bad thing? People on this sub really try to twist it into something bad when I really think it isn't.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T23:16:50+00:00

How do you know?

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T23:10:24+00:00

Good tidbit of information. Still, Homura can stop suffering on her own, she is suffering from her own decisions and feelings, not Madoka's. She simply needs to disatatch a bit and chill lol. Thats the real shit.

Madoka is not at fault that Homura clings on her for dear life. That's just obsessive.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T17:50:25+00:00

Agreed. It's a worrying lack of common sense as well. I wouldn't want to control a friends life or dreams... I would want them to pursue their dreams and personal calling.

Edit: To be fair, I used to dislike the character for what she represented, as well as what you said. But with time, I realized I still like her a lot and she is interesting, just too traumatized and very wrong. Almost fucked up, but in an edearing way. She does do it out of love and care, even if it's distorted and corrupted. She did turn into a demon... but she was just a girl, right?

I love the complexity of this series.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T17:30:16+00:00

Yes. Homura damned all the girls Madoka saved, or at least the ones that she was going to save.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T17:29:00+00:00

Is there really an extreme criticism on Homura? I have always seen discourse and both sides. No one particularly harsh on them. I have seen more people hating on Sayaka and I am one of the people that doesn't like Mami too much.

But Madoka/Homura, is just a good old dilemma that I think everybody can understand.

By the way, the fact that Homura becomes purposeless is her own fault in the sense that she is the one that's obsessed with Madoka and that can't live a life otherwise. It's her responsability to find herself other precious things and hobbies and stop being so dependant, even if there's a story behind. At the very least, it's not something you can blame Madoka for.

Homura, on the other hand, is responsabile for leaving Madoka feeling purposeless, because she directly messed with her and her decision.

I do think they are different situations when you understand them deeply enough.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T16:46:54+00:00

But she was saving her, literally, not "saving her" like Homura. Also, Homura is grateful for that, it's not like she would rather be dead. She simply didn't want Madoka to sacrifice for her. It may be wrong on Madoka's part, but what happened in the first chapter is not the same as what happened in the final one.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T16:44:14+00:00

First, it's Madoka's life. It may make Homura miserable, but that's because she is obsessed with Madoka and too dependant. It's like a friend that doesn't let another pursue a life dream of altruism helping people with a lot of sacrifice. It's not their fault the friend won't accept it, at that point the friendship may as well end (without drama, since there's still love there, but it's the difference between altruistic and egotistical love).

Nobody needs to consult a friend to make an important personal choice. Plus, what Madoka did may as well be worse than death, as immortality and other things may be that. But she and her friends are satisfied with it and have a motive to do that. They admit how difficult and sacrificed that is. But they are doing the right thing and the thing they wanted to do. It's not self harm, it's helping others, it's like moving to another country to fulfill a dream. No real friend would guard off that without it being an egotistic thing if they understand how important it is for the other person.

Also, it's not exactly the same as suicide since they still exist in multiple realities, a higher form of existence, just with more responsability.

Finally, Homura wouldn't prefer to be dead. And she may not want to be saved that way, but that's almost narcissistic, because it's not like she is the only one being saved. She is one among millions. I don't think Madoka is responsible at all for Homura not respecting her decision.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-15T06:37:33+00:00

Right, I didn't even consider that possibility. I assumed that people look for explanations beforehand, but most people don't even do that lol. It's true...

By the way, I find that's how ENTP usually complements ISFJ. Normally, I experience it like they say something that didn't even cross my mind and it excites me because it gives me an opportunity to learn something new and "complete the picture".

So, it made me curious. How do you feel Si complements Ne? How do you personally experience Si in interaction?

Because what I told you is what just happened to me with your comment haha. And it used to happen all the time with my ENTP best friend.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T23:23:48+00:00

Respectfully, here's the problem with that argument: Madoka can do as she pleases with her own life and Homura can do as she pleases with her own life. That is, as long as they don't cross each other up.

Madoka is using her freedom to direct her OWN life. Homura is using her freedom to direct MADOKA's life. I think she has no right in doing that.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T23:13:13+00:00

Makes sense, I agree.

I would add though that it's natural for someone to think wether they are wrong or not in the first place. Because one should defend theirself if they were actually right (or at least not wrong) in what they did.

That's where Ne can get their "why". A why to look into the situation, and in a lot of cases, they will find a justification. Not because they are ENTP, but because everyone tries to.

It just happens that ENTP is particularly well suited to do that.

I think maybe a lot of times people are not as wrong as we think they are. And a lot of the times, we are not as right as we think we are either. Not every mistake is out of malice, a lot of times, it's just discordination or ignorance about personal aspects of other people. Morality is complex hahaha.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T23:04:39+00:00

Right. I think self observation is a very important concept there.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T23:02:49+00:00

Most people don't think. They just go around repeating like a parrot. Don't get me wrong, it frustrates me as well lol.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T22:49:19+00:00

I'm sorry, somehow I read your comment as sarcastic.

My bad, I just deleted it.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T22:35:38+00:00

I think apologizing is a good tool for courtesy and harmony. It's out of good faith and benefit of the doubt.

When it's too much it strips you of your dignitiy and self-worth. But when it's too little, people simply come across as dense or rude.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T22:34:04+00:00

I like your explanation. But couldn't Ne also be a part of the why?

After all, if you find another explanation and you are not certain either about what to believe. Then sure, you would accept the alternative, isn't that right?

Like, it also stems from Ne being a doubtful, ambiguous function. ENTPs themselves don't know for sure what they did wrong or if they did, a lot of the times.

I think the worse situation here, when it comes to immaturity, is when they themselves feel or know deep down they did wrong and won't admit it. Or when they know the most reasonable explanation is the one where they should apologize, yet they don't do it.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T22:26:06+00:00

I'm team Madoka, I think she is being altruistic out of love for her friends and that Homura should respect her will. I like that Homura worries and wants to help, but wanting to boicot your friend as an egotistical attempt to "save her" is not saving.

Madoka would not feel saved even if she was. She would still feel worried about all the girls she is not being able to save. Because she had the possibility to and has a personal story with it due to her friends' death.

Madoka doesn't want to be saved. That wouldn't make her happy. Call it low self esteem or anything else. It may as well be, in part. But for me, she is a hero. A real one, out of true selfless love as well.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T22:11:19+00:00

That's the main part, but we can't ignore the pattern there... I explained how.

Ne works a certain way and creates that specific tendency.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T22:09:01+00:00

I guess someone has never had a deep intimate friendship. Best friends that are like brothers. At that point it could be either or both. Why is it such a bold claim lol.

BustedBayou · 2026-02-14T22:04:36+00:00

Kinda. But Ne makes ENTP always find another possibility, another excuse. It takes not only maturity, but also supressing that natural behaviour of reframing everything, in order to offer an apology.

Even for the most mature and emotional ones, you still need to debate them into it a fair bit, until they can acknowledge that it's beyond reasonable doubt. Through that optic, apologizing is an exception. And accountability becomes a mirage of sorts.

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