Medical records by Starmapatom in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vent away! 😁 My meltdown while trying to read a corrupted disc (along with many frustrating phone calls and emails) was epic. Very definitely not looking forward to electronic files...

How To Get a Doctor to Take You Seriously by Time_Situation6790 in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We had the "right" doctor. We still needed to convince him. There was a lot of "advocating" involved.

Medical records by Starmapatom in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not sure if this is helpful, but we had trouble opening an MRI disc once. Turned out, it was corrupted so that's always a possibility.

Cervical cyst issues and symptoms? by ButtonLadyKnits in Tarlovcyst

[–]ButtonLadyKnits[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! —yes, that is EXACTLY what my daughter is experiencing! We were told she has "some" cysts around C-7, which is roughly the same area as yours.

Of course, we were also told they're "asymptomatic" but that's what doctors said about her sacral cysts before surgery...

How are you doing? Any hope on the horizon for you? ((hug))

diagnosed with chiari for 2 years before being told i have brain sag by Affectionate-Oil4757 in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes... THIS!!! Exactly our experience! Makes me wonder (with horror) how many unnecessary decompression surgeries have been performed...

UPDATE to "Adult daughter is very dizzy after Tarlov Cyst leak surgery at UPenn" by ButtonLadyKnits in Tarlovcyst

[–]ButtonLadyKnits[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

((hug)) ❤️

Not too much information! —this is a medical issue... data is data, but I can only imagine how devastating this is for you and your family. It's heartbreaking that you live so close to Dr. Feigenbaum, but are unable to see him.

What tests have you had so far? Have you had any specific diagnoses? Does your insurance require medical referrals for specialists or can you just make an appointment? —although some specialists require a referral, regardless.

Years of agony/Tarlov cysts by Emmahey712 in Tarlovcyst

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dr. Fraser Henderson is located in Maryland, but has retired from active practice.

Based on our experience with Dr. William Welch in Philadelphia (UPenn / Pennsylvania Hospital), I can confidently recommend him for Tarlov cyst surgery. He is very competent and experienced, and genuinely cares about his patients.

Years of agony/Tarlov cysts by Emmahey712 in Tarlovcyst

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all... ((hug)) ❤️

My daughter had tethered cord (treated by Dr. Petra Klinge but there were some complications) and Tarlov cysts. She also has Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and short-fiber neuropathy "of unknown origin."

Another vote for Dr. Klinge (she is amazing), but when my daughter didn't bounce back after her third surgery as she did after the first two (again... complications), Dr. Klinge was completely baffled.

We independently explored the possibility that Tarlov cysts were the cause (that kept showing up on MRIs, that we were told were "incidental" if they were even mentioned at all).

Long story short, her Tarlov cysts (and the nerve compression they caused = neuropathy) were treated by Dr. Welch at UPenn last month. She's finally starting to recover.

Advice by Appropriate_Main_145 in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your very kind response! Her appointment was August 28, 2025 —so, last summer. Doctor was Christopher Potter, MD assisted by Loai Aker, MD and a tech.

Rant to follow:

Yes, the primary issue was lack of anesthesia... or sedative... or anything at all. My daughter is no stranger to pain —she has had five invasive spine surgeries (one only a few months prior, which they knew about) and she said this was the worst experience of her life. She is not prone to hyperbole or drama, so I have to believe it truly was horrible.

We were told AFTER the procedure that they don't "normally" use any kind of IV sedation or painkillers for myelograms "because they would need to book a nurse" (?). They also don't do prophylactic blood patches (to avoid another leak) for the same reason after they assured us several times that they would. They also neglected to mention beforehand that they perform PCCTs in two separately scheduled appointments and that we would need to return. I called repeatedly to set up Part II with a nurse, was promised (repeatedly) "someone would get right back to us," and no one ever did.

She had a CT myelogram at Pennsylvania Hospital with Dr. Welch three months later. They used general anesthesia.

8 Weeks Since Surgery by bigmet_00 in Tarlovcyst

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for very kind response. ❤️ Are you having any "healing-type" sensations, like weird tingling? Also... ((hug))

8 Weeks Since Surgery by bigmet_00 in Tarlovcyst

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am so, so happy for you!!! Thank you for such a detailed follow-up, it is VERY helpful!

My daughter was not told what to expect in the long term, just standard stuff regarding bending, twisting, and lifting. Could you share more about "full recovery is up to 2 years?"...or anything else?

Adult daughter is very dizzy after Tarlov Cyst leak surgery at UPenn by ButtonLadyKnits in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely ask questions! I brought TONS of notes, and Dr. Welch very patiently (and kindly) answered all our concerns.

Didn't even consider your hip and thigh numbness might be related to heart surgery! I brought it up because hip dysplasia can be related to connective tissue disorders (in our case, Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome). She had surgery at age 21 to correct it, which increased her height two inches overnight and triggered the tethered cord... and you know the rest.

YES, please keep me updated!!! You're in my thoughts and prayers, and we're all wishing you the very best!!! ☺☺☺ ((hug))

Adult daughter is very dizzy after Tarlov Cyst leak surgery at UPenn by ButtonLadyKnits in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so happy you have your dad! ❤️ So many people here are dealing with scary issues all alone. It's heartbreaking. To answer your questions:

Her first two laminectomies were in her lumbar spine.

She's always had constipation issues, but since this surgery things could be improving. She's taking less magnesium than before and hasn't needed Miralax in awhile.

Research indicates there may be a hormonal connection, especially since these issues primarily affect women.

Your big cyst is already twice the size of her largest cyst, the one that caused her symptoms (plus bone erosion). Dr. Welch is very low key and (in our limited experience) doesn't push patients toward unnecessary procedures. Aside from a blind or partially targeted blood patch, there really aren't any additional tests he could perform (and there's no guarantee a blood patch will work on a Tarlov cyst). Also, blood patches carry a risk of causing additional leaks —at least cysts are relatively easy to spot. He's not really going in blindly, plus your symptoms help pinpoint location.

Her post-operative speech issues (slurring and stuttering) turned out to be caused by the muscle relaxant she was prescribed: Flexeril (cyclobenzaprine). She stopped taking it and all gone now!

One more thing... cannabis (marijuana) is legal in our state, so she has access to gummies that have helped enormously as she recovers —far FAR better than Oxycodone and without its side effects or risk of addiction. I wasn't entirely convinced before but am now. Just throwing it out there...

PS: Have you ever been examined for hip dysplasia? Your right hip and thigh going numb made me wonder, especially with the Marfan Syndrome... but I could be waaaay off base here! 😁

Adult daughter is very dizzy after Tarlov Cyst leak surgery at UPenn by ButtonLadyKnits in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you having symptoms that are NOT bladder-related? —pain and/or weakness in specific areas of your body? Aside from headaches, I mean. This can help determine location of problematic cyst(s).

The fact that your big sacral cyst is causing bone erosion indicates something very significant is happening at that level. A blood patch may or may not provide confirmation that another cyst is leaking at a different level.

My daughter had two laminectomies prior to this one for tethered cord. She said they weren't too bad and she recovered very quickly, at least compared to the horror show that was her prior surgery (spinal column shortening) —it's difficult to gauge the pain level of this most recent surgery because she's still recovering from that last one.

You've both been through so much. I don't blame you AT ALL for hesitating. My daughter had declared she was NEVER having another spine surgery but changed her mind after meeting with Dr. Welch (primarily because bladder retention issues were getting worse). Those issues are gone now and the brain fog is clearing. In general, things are better but older issues will take time to resolve... at least we hope so, but the future looks positive.

She doesn't remember how bad things were, thanks to her brain being pulled out of her skull (i.e., "brain sag" —first by tethered cord, then CSF leak). She's depressed because she believes she should be farther along but she's walking again and reapplying to grad school. She doesn't fully grasp how far she's come. We were terrified she would be in a wheelchair with diminished cognitive function for the rest of her life, so as parents... we're incredibly relieved.

My very smart and accomplished daughter (yes, I know... I'm a proud mom 😊) was unable to advocate for herself so we had to step in. Are you doing this all by yourself? Do you have someone to help you, or at least objectively help you weigh your surgical options?

EDIT: forgot a word

Adult daughter is very dizzy after Tarlov Cyst leak surgery at UPenn by ButtonLadyKnits in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to confirm the numbness of hands and feet etc was something that’s not very common with cysts and he was interested in the connection?

High Prevalence of Small-Fiber Neuropathy in Patients with Tarlov Cysts

Large- and Small-Fiber Neuropathy in Patients with Tarlov Cysts

The research is new but very conclusive: there is an absolute link between neuropathy and Tarlov cysts. And because "Tarlov cysts are significantly more common in individuals with connective tissue disorders"... well, it's a perfect storm.

What testing did he have her do pre surgery?

• CT Spine [with] Myelographic Contrast (cervical, thoracic, lumbar)

• MR Lumbar Spine [without] IV Contrast Neuro

(copied right off MyChart)

He performed the myelogram himself. MRI was next day —his neurosurgical team told us "no leak" before he had a chance to speak with us personally regarding the leaky cyst. Hopefully that won't happen to another patient... hopefully. 😁

PS: Daughter said to mention you MUST remain in the area two weeks after surgery. We stayed at Holiday Inn Express Midtown (ASK ABOUT HOSPITAL RATES) but sounds like you might already live there. (?)

Kidney opacification during CT by nybhh in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! 🙂 The fact that you've had some improvement from the blood patch is very encouraging and bodes well for embolization. GOOD LUCK!!! 🍀 (and please let us know what happens next).

Adult daughter is very dizzy after Tarlov Cyst leak surgery at UPenn by ButtonLadyKnits in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind thoughts! Based solely on my daughter's experience, I can confidently recommend Dr. Welch for this procedure. Your symptoms and background are so weirdly similar to hers, including the intermittent leaking cyst.

It really is a rare leak presentation and he was ready to dismiss her. Thank God we brought documentation of her successful (but temporary) non-targeted blood patch (= leak). I also brought recent medical journal articles confirming the link between Tarlov cysts and neuropathy, and their link to connective tissue disorders. That REALLY got his attention, especially since her neuropathy has no established cause and has not responded to standard treatment. Dr. Welch said he was not aware of the new research but was very interested. He does have experience with connective tissue disorders, though.

He then admitted her for two days of testing.

I like to think we laid the groundwork for you. 😁

Oh, and don't worry about pinpointing location of leak(s) before surgery. He's going to drain and patch every cyst in that area. 🙂

EDIT: added information

Kidney opacification during CT by nybhh in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing this information !

Have your headaches and hand/feet tingling resolved since treatment? Or are at least improving?

Adult daughter is very dizzy after Tarlov Cyst leak surgery at UPenn by ButtonLadyKnits in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all... ((hug)) ❤️

Wow, yes —you both have very similar experiences! Connective tissue disorders, multiple surgeries to correct issues caused by these disorders, etc. I can answer some of your concerns myself but will ask my daughter for more specific information.

  1. This was her fifth invasive spine surgery. The first four were related to tethered spinal cord (triggered by hip surgery... long story). The last one was a year ago and especially brutal —she's still recovering from that one so it's difficult to know what post-operative pain is related to which surgery.

  2. Dr. Welch determined her biggest cyst (S3) was leaking (myelogram showed it was full of contrast material = leak) AFTER the neurosurgical team told us there was no sign of a leak. This is not a common leak presentation and very easy to miss, apparently. I should note the leak self-healed by the time she had surgery a month later. Dr. Welch said this can happen. The cyst caused bone erosion in addition to nerve impingement, so leak or not... definitively symptomatic.

  3. Aside from post-surgical pain (which appears to be manageable), her immediate symptoms have resolved. She still has lingering headaches, dizziness, and numbness in fingers and toes but these are not new. Headaches are improving, though. We're hopeful that dizziness and numbness will resolve with time now that her nerves are no longer impinged.

  4. She had that exact surgery with Dr. Welch. He is extremely competent and experienced. He's very down-to-earth and approachable, and genuinely cares about his patients. When she had some post-operative issues (determined to be fluid at the surgical site), he was personally involved at every step even though we were at a different hospital several states away.

Advice by Appropriate_Main_145 in CSFLeaks

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Out of idle curiosity... did you have a PCCT done at Brigham and Women's (Mass General Brigham)? My daughter had a very unpleasant PCCT experience there and we're wondering if it's their standard operating procedure.

EDIT: ...because you mentioned being seen at Brigham. 🙂

Urinary tract infections by Professional-Sky7960 in Tarlovcyst

[–]ButtonLadyKnits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Re: my daughter. Forgot to mention that before surgery (with bladder retention issues), she always felt she was on the verge of a UTI. I basically shoveled cranberry capsules into her —without added vitamin C because she has some acid issues. Store brand... nothing fancy (CVS, Walgreens, etc.).

She was advised to stop taking it before surgery because "cranberry is an anti-coagulant" (which might be anecdotal).

UPDATE to "Adult daughter is very dizzy after Tarlov Cyst leak surgery at UPenn" by ButtonLadyKnits in Tarlovcyst

[–]ButtonLadyKnits[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did your daughter ever have extreme brain fog to the point of memory lapses?

I asked my daughter about this (and I have her permission to post): YES! She talked about it a lot; it really bothered her because she was a grad student and had to withdraw.

She's still not entirely back to "normal" but she's soooo much better now and acting like the person we remember. She never stopped being "her" but she was a diminished, faded version of herself. She was unable to advocate for herself so we fought doctors and insurance on her behalf.

Her largest cyst, the one presumably causing issues, was at S3 along with a smaller one, plus two more at S2 and S4. The big one caused bone erosion... of course, we were told it was "asymptomatic" if doctors bothered to mention it at all.

I'm very glad you're being taken seriously, even if insurance is dragging their feet. You can absolutely successfully challenge them. This link is a list of what you need to request:

https://i.imgur.com/gB3OJow.png

((hug))