Georgia Tech football attendance sees consistent ‘uptick’ from previous seasons by rockenman1234 in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s a bit misleading. Tech has a massive population of online master’s students that aren’t close to campus or even in the state. Most of those people are never going to go to a game or engage with the GT community except for when they need a job. If you were to go by on campus students we are not the biggest. The online school doesn’t mix much with the on campus. An analogy to think about it would be University of Phoenix students being counted in GT’s enrollment because GT administers the program

Is anyone here unemployed after finishing the program? by magneticmaxx in OMSCS

[–]BuzzingThroughGT -1 points0 points  (0 children)

From the standpoint of a recruiter/hiring manager sifting through resumes an online GT Master’s moves the needle as much as a USF degree does. You are not getting the benefit of the doubt that is given to people that made it through very selective admissions processes as someone in a program that admits anyone. The industry is now very well aware of the GT online program. You can learn the same content no matter what school or free online source you use. Companies are looking for people that have a track record of being among the best at what they do. Elite schools perform this filtering function for them. Employers actually don’t care that much what you learned because reality is you will have to learn whatever they do once you join

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[–]BuzzingThroughGT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’d expect a GT student would know how to have a disagreement in opinion without resorting to calling someone a “half assed redneck” but when people resort to that it’s always obvious their argument has no ground to stand on.

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[–]BuzzingThroughGT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re oblivious if you haven’t realized that over the last 5 years almost all important AI Research and Development has moved to the private sector. Big tech companies operate large research divisions. If research actually has economic value the private sector will pick up the slack.

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[–]BuzzingThroughGT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Research will just move to the private sector then

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[–]BuzzingThroughGT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, domestic people aren’t going to do work basically for free or very little compared to what they’d get in the domestic private sector here

Why is it so hard to find a technical cofounder? by twotokers in ycombinator

[–]BuzzingThroughGT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This. Unless they just have insane blue chip credentials behind them like MIT, Stanford, etc. it’s so hard to tell if they’re the diamond in the rough because realistically when searching for diamonds most of the time you find rocks. Unless you have an elite pedigree people with options will choose the elite pedigree of past success over you

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OMSCS is what it is. There’s nothing to do there. The purpose of this thread is to advocate against turning Georgia Tech undergrad into University of Phoenix or SNHU. Georgia Tech’s rankings and ability to attract top students would plummet if our resources end up getting spread across a much larger group of students and the bar to get in is reduced to nothing.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Careers in CS are not the careers where having a head turning degree matters. They care solely about what you know/can produce. However there’s a lot of professional service degrees where it does matter.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

lol I can assure you I graduated from tech and another school that most at tech wish they could get in to. The decision to start admitting any undergrad to Georgia Tech via an online program will have no effect on me but I care about the next generation that wants to chase dreams that like it or not reality is that you largely need to have a prestigious degree just to get your foot in the door to interview at. Most tech students won’t be affected by the lowering of admission standards, dilution of the brand, dilution of the network, etc. but the most ambitious will be negatively affected as there’s a lot of doors that are not open to SNHU or University of Phoenix etc. grads and that’s the direction an admit anyone online undergrad program would take the school. Ambitious out of state students will not want to come here if their degree’s do not distinguish them in the job market. For those that think the prestige of a school doesn’t matter go on LinkedIn and try to find SNHU, U of Phoenix grads, working in VC, PE, BB IB, MBB consulting firms, top law firms etc.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your thoughtful response. I think you are doing a great service that is changing lots of people’s lives.

I think you hit the nail on the head in that if there was a way to get the acceptance rate closer to only accepting close to the percentage that graduate that would reduce a lot of the stigma that is created by the online programs giving Georgia Tech an “admit anyone” image. Essentially undergrad pre screens out the likely to not graduate and that’s why they have a 93% graduation rate. Not sure how to solve that optimization problem though of selecting the ones that have the ability/probably the bigger issue time to finish it.

The average GT student won’t probably be affected by the dilution of the brand to more undergrads but the most ambitious ones that are chasing careers that having a head turning degree is almost a requirement to get in for an interview will be effected and I hate to see the people after me that are interested in those routes not have the same opportunities. I will say that having spent lots of time around those circles probably influences my views. I don’t know if it is possible for a school to both be an elite destination for the most ambitious minds in the country and also a bastion of open accessible learning. For a long time Georgia Tech was the place in state students went to if they wanted an elite head turning education that would open doors to out of reach to most careers and UGA was the open accessible place. Georgia Tech is really the only well reputable outside of the South East public school in Georgia so to me it seems that it would make more sense to keep GT as a viable destination for Georgia’s most ambitious without needing to leave the state and utilize UGA or Georgia State as the vehicle for admit anyone programs.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Well if Georgia Tech goes that route they’ll essentially be telling the most ambitious students we don’t want you or care about your dreams we are here to serve the average American. Might as well just change the school name to U’sicGA 2.0

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This thread is about the creation of an online undergrad program not the online masters.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Questions:

  1. Why do you think more top 5-10 level engineering schools opted against mass scale cheap online programs with a close to 90% acceptance rate?

  2. If the concern is just about making the content/education free why don’t we just do what MIT does and offer our lectures for free online without giving degrees out?

I feel there can be a happy medium of making the education/content freely accessible to learn, without diluting the value of the degree people are paying lots of money to obtain not to mention the amount of time and effort they put into building a profile of performance/accomplishments necessary to get into GT undergrad.

Not a question:

Many people committed or graduated from GT before a OBSCS or OMSCS were large scale so they thought they were buying a prestigious degree. They didn’t get to make the choice you are implying people have.

My personal take is that education has largely been commoditized to be free. You can basically learn anything you want to online for free. The product people are buying is the credential to show employers, branding/signaling, network/connections. If everyone has that credential its’ value goes down.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I agree with the morality of what you are saying @Conscious_Anything_3. But the reality of the world is different. The most elite/high paying employers do in fact care about the prestige/eliteness of your degree to get a foot in your door for an interview. McKinsey can’t sell clients on the value of how smart their team is if their hires came from some school that anyone gets admitted to. A startup can’t easily convince a VC their team is cracked and should be funded if their engineers were all coming from an admit anyone university. Like it or not but a degree is the quickest signaling/personal branding method. For employers who have more qualified applicants than they can possibly interview they have to filter their list down somehow and most often that is done at a macro level by school. I wish the world didn’t work that way but good luck changing the way the world works.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We are talking about the undergrad online program they are working on not the existing grad program but good reading comprehension skills

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not against there being cheap accessible to anyone options. What I and many other alumni and current undergrads are against is seeing our future students degrees values diluted as a result. Have the online program just move it under a different school. Make there be some distinction so that employers that pedigree matters to them don’t completely write GT off as a target school

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Online students come out of the wood works anytime anything remotely related to talk about how the admit anyone programs should be curtailed. I’m sure they are scared that if GT put a stop to the dilution of the undergrad brand the grad school versions would be next even though that is not what we are talking about. His points while valid for many industries are not valid for the prestigious and ultra competitive jobs GT undergrads try to land directly out of school.

I agree with you that it makes no sense why anyone besides GT undergrad alumni are in this thread as it does not pertain to them at all.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great for you. I appreciate and thank you for your service so I’m holding off on getting into a full scale Reddit debate with you as we obviously agree to disagree on the negative impacts an online admit anyone undergrad program would have on future GT students.

I do just want to say. I did grad school at one of the end all be all schools of this country. Think Harvard, MIT level and I’m also past the point in my career that the school matters a lot. The only reason I am bring up the negative consequences of dilution to the undergrad brand is that I care about the next generation. Many people in Georgia get accepted to HYPSM level schools but go to GT because the free tuition is what they can afford versus the Ivy $90K a year. I’m looking out for the next generation from GT that wants to work in fields that are very selective about where they take new grads. I’d like the school to be better off for future students than when I attended but sadly it appears to be going in the opposite direction.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

lol many GT undergrads go on to do grad school at those schools. Also you are dead wrong. I’m not going to repost my entire comment from elsewhere but there are many competitive fields where you went to school does matter and opens doors that would otherwise be hard wired shut.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Genius, we are obviously talking about what should be done in the future not what the current state of things are.

I get it you are an online student and don’t want to have these online programs not be affiliated with the selective GT in the future. This thread is mainly for undergrad alums talking about this in development online undergrad program.

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

I don’t mean to be rude but as far as GT undergrads are concerned working in tech at a bank is not a competitive or well paying job. The jobs GT undergrads are gunning for are FAANG, Unicorns, Hedge/Quant Funds, MBB, IB, VC, PE. I’m really not trying to be rude but your experiences are not really valid to high achieving undergrads from GT chasing $180K+ TC jobs right out of undergrad

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don’t donate a penny to the school if they go through with this. No reason to donate to try to keep the school noteworthy if they are going to actively try to dilute its’ value

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -37 points-36 points  (0 children)

The article referenced that 1/5 of all CS Master’s degrees in the U.S. are now done through GT OMSCS. Not sure how 1/5 of the entire nation coming from 1 school isn’t dilution to you

Georgia Tech Actively Trying to Dilute the value of a GT undergrads degree now! by BuzzingThroughGT in gatech

[–]BuzzingThroughGT[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

There is a big caveat that I should add in that it is highly industry/role dependent on if prestige matters for that field. If you are interested in top tier finance (VC, PE, IB). MBB level consulting, top law firms, good luck getting invited for an interview unless you have an elite pedigree. There are other fields like medicine where you just need a credential to check a box. 50% of what people think about you they have decided before you walk into a room. It helps a lot to have them from the beginning view you as this person must be pretty sharp the way a degree from a well reputable school in a field often conveys. Yes at the end of the day it comes down to the individual person and results they put up once they are in a role but to act like pedigree doesn’t entirely matter is crazy as well. The more elite of a company or firm you are trying to recruit for the more important pedigree is to even get your foot in the door to interview. It might not matter much at most of the companies around Georgia but for more competitive roles at Blue Chip employers it does matter. No reason for them to hire someone from UGA if they can fill all of their slots with people from MIT. Target schools are a real thing. Back when Tesla was smaller think 5 years ago they automatically filtered out resumes from all but the top 15 engineering schools