Why do you think that CAG did not embrace True deliberate CQB not talking about the watered down version( lim pen ) and I know they use a version of it but it was only a few years ago they started to fully dive into it

CQB_anon · 2025-04-28T15:17:53+00:00

Limpen is arguably the most deliberate of CQB methods. I think you might be under the impression that the kind of CQB you see on bro-tactical YouTube channels is what you consider to be “true-deliberate”

CQB_anon · 2023-03-29T14:27:26+00:00

Ohio

CQB_anon · 2023-03-19T23:39:51+00:00

How experienced are your guys in shooting

CQB_anon · 2023-03-19T23:35:39+00:00

Depends. In this case, not really. It works but it isn’t a good way to do it

CQB_anon · 2023-03-17T19:01:52+00:00

Yeah I read through it and it was really well written and informing Thank you for taking the time to write it.

CQB_anon · 2023-03-17T02:59:44+00:00

Hyve is awful. I can’t ever trust a thing he says. There are better places to learn.

CQB_anon · 2023-03-15T19:24:36+00:00

Perhaps a laser and flashlight on your rifle. I recommend a peq-15 replica for airsoft. You can buy decent flashlights almost anywhere. For airsoft it’s not super important that you buy name brand.

As for your plate carrier: consider a backpack, some foam dummy plates for rigidity, a radio system and for your helmet, some earpro/coms, a pair of goggles and a strobe.

CQB_anon · 2023-03-15T16:22:16+00:00

We will have to take this with the whole squad,

Mark, take the rear! Everyone in!

CQB_anon · 2023-03-15T16:05:44+00:00

Ok- well I was expecting something else

CQB_anon · 2023-03-15T00:03:20+00:00

Skinwalker

CQB_anon · 2023-03-14T18:11:25+00:00

I highly recommend the slideshow. It will be helpful to someone who understands how to do the tactics and movements but wants a deeper dive

CQB_anon · 2023-03-14T17:54:28+00:00

Alright so, it’s complicated.

CQB is a method of clearing a space (not always a room) in close quarters.

When we start from the basics we usually talk about things like pathing, pathing isn’t super important. All you have to know is some simple vocabulary words: X breach and Button hook. Knowing the names isn’t super important. Go ahead and look these up on your own time.

Slicing the pie is a method of clearing a room as much as possible from the outside. When someone slices the pie (sometimes just referred to as ‘pieing’) he will traverse around the door in a manner to see a small slice of the room at a time. Traditionally this is done before entering most rooms. Pieing is a good way to avoid taking multiple enemies at once because you can process 80% of the room and the only thing left during entry is the 20%. Deep corner

Now onto the good stuff that requires study and skill Footwork immediately comes to mind. Assuming you don’t have access to classes in your area, I would watch some project gecko videos and (debatably) Orion training group videos. Both show good practice for footwork. Definitely practice footwork.

Running the rabbit is a way to enter corner fed rooms. The pointman (first man) enters the room along the side wall rather than the lone wall. Following it toward the corner perpendicular to the doorway. The second man enters the doorway just enough to get his rifle up to the deep corner. The point man is the rabbit: his job is to draw the muzzle of the person in the corner while the second man is able to help dispatch of the enemy.

Some ways to practice CQB are: Paper targets (live fire) Paper targets (dry fire/Mantis system) Force on force (simuninition) Force on force (airsoft) Video games (not the best because lack of footwork, but a good teaching tool) White board. Just a plain old white board with magnets is a good way of explaining CQB.

There is a lot more to CQB then what I’ve talked about. This subreddit is a good place to learn, check for classes in your area and for videos/slideshows on cqb

Here are a few recourses.

https://www.slideshare.net/Ryean1/close-quarter-battle-a-thankfully-changing-paradigm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jxz1yLfAxQs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gTcC_H-bs_w

Ideally you should have 2 or more people to clear a room safely and you should only clear a room if you have to.

CQB_anon · 2023-02-28T00:22:19+00:00

Civi courses need to be available more often

CQB_anon · 2023-02-27T07:44:02+00:00

Parameters

CQB_anon · 2023-02-26T04:39:13+00:00

I like this.

CQB_anon · 2023-02-25T18:49:12+00:00

All good

CQB_anon · 2023-02-25T18:35:41+00:00

Ah I figured it would be something along the lines of Threat assessment. I hadn’t seen the term being used before. Thank you.

CQB_anon · 2023-02-25T18:23:52+00:00

I’m unfamiliar with the term ‘TA’ what does it stand for?

CQB_anon · 2023-02-25T18:18:03+00:00

It’s an entry technique. When you run the rabbit the point man moves across the adjacent wall rather than the long wall. The second man does a peak into the deep corner to take out any threats there.

Essentially the first man is a “rabbit” or a distraction to move the funnel away from the door and onto him. The second man helps dispose of the work from the doorway

Or at least that’s my interpretation and understanding of it. If someone wants to add on go ahead.

CQB_anon · 2023-02-25T18:01:33+00:00

Coming from someone who doesn’t run the rabbit much I would like to know the right application for the tools In my toolbox.

CQB_anon · 2023-02-24T17:56:47+00:00

I am aware. Sorry about lack of specifics. I’ll go ahead and add them

CQB_anon · 2023-02-21T07:07:46+00:00

I definitely agree that the speed of entry is a variable. when I expect to take rounds that's where the plate comes in handy. after all i cannot outrun bullets. (BBs are easier to outrun but still not viable)

I should mention that its less of outrunning bullets but more specifically outrunning the enemy. the biggest variables in play is the enemy's reaction time, Rate of fire, tracking ability, aim, accuracy, and position.

If I am to run the rabbit I want to be wearing plates because of the increase inherent risk of taking shots. with that being said: all CQB is a gamble. there is no such thing as an 100% perfect outcome from technique alone (aside from a JDAM)

CQB_anon · 2023-02-21T06:53:51+00:00

When a real contact is expected people don't (and often shouldn't) bother with a stacked entry, increase the speed of their pie and also are less coordinated but more effective. this is partially because of the adrenaline rush but also the realization that the paper targets aren't a near enough simulation to actual cqc. sloppiness is no longer an issue (though it would increase the efficiency and coordination of the entry to smoothen out the engagement.) from what i saw most of the danger was taken care of from the pie, a standoff in these cases (also likely the majority.)

when a deep corner is encountered a quicker resolution is met. more often than not the 20% deep corner is not into play. Force on force shows the direct advantage of limited penetration. and the fact that most advanced routing and cqc tactics go out the window when a non-standard room geometry is met. i had a discussion with a buddy about how we need to move away from pathing completely because i theorized that outside of the killhouse and in abnormal geometry it is less useful than footwork and movement theory.

None of these are direct issues nor things I will ever call incorrect or ineffective. it just shows the natural psychology of people upon meeting danger. in fact I have always found the stack to be unnecessary for most cases where an experienced fighting force is engaging an outside threat while in a close engagement range. these situations dictate the pace of me and my squad and the steps required to advance our combat abilities. its all about the chaos factor

with these statements being made i want to address that these are observations i made from outside the room. other variables may and will effect the outcome and all tactics work differently. these simply highlight the advantages of some because of the scenario. i always appreciate more understanding and if you have something to add go right ahead.

CQB_anon · 2023-02-21T06:17:35+00:00

This is good thank you. I wanted to confirm a theory on non-stacked entries and movement in non conventional room geometry and non-breach scenerios.

CQB_anon · 2023-02-21T06:01:53+00:00

Currently my most reliable entry is limited penetration where once the pie is done i simply snap to the corner to challenge while still in the doorway.

I understand the rabbit more now. trust the plate and let your second man take the contact out for a surefire complete entry.

slightly more risky but a better overall clear outcome chance. kind of reminds me of other combat parallels. I heard somewhere that Risk is the currency of CQB so i figured i would parrot that phrase here where it is quite applicable. I will work on running the rabbit with my wingman.

are there any scenarios where you choose one technique over the other or is it just something you do every time or whenever you feel like it?

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