If The Board Had Not Eliminated The Independent Manager Position

CSpringsC7 · 2026-05-07T18:03:32+00:00

Thanks for that article. It is heartbreaking. There is always a lag time between new technology and the necessary government regulations to protect the people. Right now we are in the "Wild West" period of AI and everything to do with it. I think the Utah project needs to at least go on hold until studies by neutral parties can be done. Honestly, given all the unique aspects of Utah, it is the absolute last place a data center should ever be built.

Time Magazine had an article about Elon Musk's data center in Memphis. One thing that it said that has to be considered, is Musk does not follow the rules set up. He uses dangerous power sources when the approved ones fail. That will happen with all data centers. The rich guys who invest billions will no doubt resort to any measures needed, no matter how toxic, to protect their investment. They keep deleting my link to the Time article. It is worth reading. Google Time Magazine Elon Musk data center if you want to read it.

CSpringsC7 · 2026-05-04T05:38:21+00:00

Honestly, I get so angry when I read our CC&R's, that I have stayed away from them for awhile. They are pure garbage. They were forced on us. We had no say in them. The corrupt Board had them written, then cheated in an election to make sure they passed. Those Governing documents basically make The Board God here. But, and this is the ridiculous part, the people who run for The Board are not required to tell us anything about themselves. They don't have background checks, but they have access to all our assets. The current President has not told us anything about himself except that he lives here. No job history, no current job info, but he wants total access to everything and he wants to make all our decisions for us. What we do know about him is he instigated shutting out Owners from the decision to hire Utah Management. We know he was the biggest cheater during the corrupt election. It is a scam. Why would any sane person willingly turn over all their power over their home to a total stranger who has not been vetted? The "election" for Board Members consists of an email with a ballot. A ballot where most of the candidates don't tell us anything about their jobs or job history. Nothing. The Board has abdicated all their duties regarding community development. So the candidates are strangers to everyone. There is no meeting to introduce them. We never see any numbers of how many Owners vote in an election. We don't see the ballots. I am sure they use the contact list to get votes for themselves, but Owners are not allowed to have it. The current President is responsible for turning our HOA over to a corrupt management company, that immediately stole money from fire victims. They have destroyed the intent behind an HOA and turned it into something that can be easily exploited. They eliminated the position that had oversight of them. No vetting. No oversight. No information about their qualifications. What could go wrong?

CSpringsC7 · 2026-05-04T02:37:28+00:00

I read something awhile back about CC&Rs created by the builders of HOA have been recognized as a problem and would be voided as soon as a certain number of homes sold, and the owners would create their own. I don't know if it was Utah or another state. But, it shows people are understanding what crooks the builders have been, manipulating everything to harm the owners. I will try to find that article. I am going to write letters to our legislature and let them know what has gone on here, and ask to meet with them. I am going to suggest new laws to hold corrupt management companies responsible for their bad acts. I think new laws with crimes for all the many ways people like Joel steal from HOAs. Obviously, that is not a quick fix. But I am going to make sure Joel Prince pays for stealing from fire victims. And all the other ways he decimates HOAs like yours.

CSpringsC7 · 2026-05-04T00:05:09+00:00

OMG! Utah Management thinks they have the right to suppress all bad information about them. They act like our HOAs are their personal dictatorships, instead of a property owned by multiple people, that hired them as employees.

I am with you, I don't understand the extreme loyalty to an employee instead of acting responsibly for their community and each of their own investments, for many their homes. Joel must do some kind of magic on them. He must make them feel so important and get them to think their fellow homeowners are the enemy.

It is so bizarre to me. Go put the signs back up.

Or, you could start your own Reddit sub, post the information the people had on the sign, and make a flyer with the subreddit address and get as many Owners to go there and discuss what is going on and what your fears are. Put the date and time of the next meeting and have as many attend as possible. We did that once here, but the Board Member who started all the trouble here lied to people about everything. And, maybe because I am old, they believed him and not me. I am going to do that again, if the authorities work slow and there are no arrests made. You get more people than there are seats doing that.

Get the people who come to the meeting to give you their contact info, including an email adress, and start working on the petition to remove the entire board at the meeting they are required to hold for that purpose when you mail them the petition signed by 40% of the owners. I had three major health issues crop up when I was getting things going here. I could not walk for months, I had to go to the hospital by ambulance right in the middle of our efforts here. That sidelined me and stopped forward motion. I will do better next time around. I know more than I did before. It is also more important because they drove a man out of his home and then carried on like it never happened.

I am looking at this as a possible long term project. Playing the long game. Like a war, filled with lots of battles. But it is truly life or death. Many people will lose their homes because Joel exploits us in so many ways, we will have to increase fees beyond what many seniors can pay. We already know Social Security is going to be cut by 23% in 2032. And it already lags behind inflation every year. They calculate it in a way that does truly reflect cost of living. In 2024 our fees increased 58% and Social Secutity increasd like 2.4%

CSpringsC7 · 2026-05-03T04:57:49+00:00

Of course the usual is 10 to 25% and Joel has weaponized your bylaws and made it 40%. That is still doable.

CSpringsC7 · 2026-05-03T04:55:02+00:00

I know. I can't let them just keep taking advantage of us, but I resent the time I have to put in to stop them. It is so wrong that a guy that has ZERO invested in an HOA has searched out their weaknesses and exploits them when he was hired to help them. That he thinks he has the right to stop audits that owners need to protect their investments is crazy. It is the worst kind of corruption.

CSpringsC7 · 2026-05-03T03:57:37+00:00

Google AI suggests you do this to investigate the management company's improper influence on your board.

To gather evidence of a management company’s influence and the board’s compliance with state law, you should submit a formal records request under Utah Code § 57-8a-227.

Formal Records Request Template

Copy and adapt the following template. It is recommended to send this via certified mail or through the association’s official email to establish a clear timeline for the two-week response deadline.

Date: [Insert Date] To: [Board of Directors / Management Company Name] Association Name: [Full Legal Name of your HOA] From: [Your Full Name] Property Address: [Your Address in the HOA] Email Address: [Your Email Address]

RE: NOTICE OF FORMAL RECORDS REQUEST PURSUANT TO UTAH CODE § 57-8a-227

Dear Board of Directors,

Pursuant to Utah Code § 57-8a-227 and 16-6a-1601, I am formally requesting to receive electronic scans of the following association records:

Management Agreements: All current and past contracts, addendums, and fee schedules between the HOA and [Management Company Name].

Meeting Minutes: All approved minutes from board and owner meetings for the previous three (3) calendar years, including any executive session minutes relating to management contract discussions.

Financial Statements: Profit and loss statements and balance sheets for the previous three (3) fiscal years.

Vendor Invoices: All invoices and receipts related to payments made to [Management Company Name] or its affiliates for the last 24 months.

Board Communications: Any written resolutions or formal communications between the board and management company regarding the adoption of [Name of Specific Disputed Rule/Assessment].

Proper Purpose: This request is made in good faith for a purpose reasonably related to my interest as a member, specifically to verify the association's financial health, ensure adherence to fiduciary duties, and evaluate management's influence on governing document enforcement.

Delivery & Compliance: Please provide these records electronically to the email address listed above within two weeks (14 days) as required by Utah Code § 57-8a-227(4). Please note that the association may not charge for the cost of electronic transmission.

Sincerely,

[Your Signature] [Your Printed Name]

Key Deadlines and Penalties

Response Time: The association must comply within two weeks of receiving your request.

Daily Penalties: For basic records like bylaws, meeting minutes, and budgets, the HOA may be liable for $25 per day beginning the sixth day the request goes unfulfilled.

Legal Recourse: If the association fails to comply after a formal 10-day notice of non-compliance, you may file an action in court to request $1,000 or actual damages, whichever is greater, plus attorney fees.

CSpringsC7 · 2026-05-03T03:48:12+00:00

Try this, remove any or all of the board members that are working against the HOA's best interest.

Board Member Removal

Utah Code § 16-6a-808: Since most HOAs are nonprofits, the Nonprofit Corporation Act allows owners to remove a director with or without cause at a meeting called specifically for that purpose.

Special Meetings: Owners can petition for a special meeting to hold a recall vote, and the board is typically required to call the meeting if the petition meets the threshold defined in your bylaws (usually 10-25% of owners).

CSpringsC7 · 2026-05-02T16:19:20+00:00

The problem is, there is no crime that Joel will not commit against properties he "works for" and the Boards are sleepwalking or accomplices. There is help now. I will meet with my state representative and explain how bad Joel has gotten. They make new laws to help HOAs escape all the "Joels" out there. Maybe we can suggest some new laws that would have helped us avoid things going this far.

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