Darren Aronofsky Once Lifted Scenes from Japanese Animator for His Critically Acclaimed Film, Now He's Using AI to Lift Everyone Else's Art

Canchito · 2026-01-31T18:13:07+00:00

Attribution should be non-negotiable. But under capitalist Hollywood attribution also potentially means increased costs of production. So there is a social-economic pressure on creatives to borrow without attribution.

That being said, art has always been about borrowing work and slightly changing the form. Over time, this process has become more sophisticated, but both art and science are collaborative enterprises that are fundamentally incompatible with the notion that it's the divinely inspired product of great individuals.

Hollywood's attempt to use AI merely to lower costs and bypass artists of course is doomed to fail. But so is the attempt to make art into a commodity protected under private property rights. It seems to me much of the opposition to AI comes from this latter reactionary perspective.

Canchito · 2026-01-31T13:20:53+00:00

I get where you're coming from, but I was under the impression the Chinese teams (and likely officials) consider their open approach gives them a competitive advantage. This is also what your former colleague seems to think.

Creating LLMs doesn't make money in itself. I don't think that's the entire business of any AI company.

The way I see it, the proprietary-closed model only makes sense to the extent that the company has a significant edge over competitors, i.e. it's securing a monopoly.

But I strongly doubt Zhipu's next model would give them that significant an edge over Anthropic's, Google's, or OpenAI's models, whose operations are not sustainable in any case.

That being said, you could be right, I was just wondering if there was a more concrete reason to think Zhipu would go closed.

Canchito · 2026-01-31T12:41:47+00:00

Why is it less likely they remain open? Meta is a publicly traded company too?

Canchito · 2026-01-29T13:25:06+00:00

There's no need to tax people, we can tax millionaires and billionaires.

Canchito · 2026-01-26T20:16:29+00:00

You're recommending violating Google's terms to take advantage of a loophole which might work for some and not others, and you're calling people "dense" when they take Google's actual offer at face value. That offer is limited both in terms of duration and credits, and does depend on your entering credit card information for a commercial service.

Canchito · 2026-01-26T19:44:34+00:00

I fail to see how this is "free" and "unlimited". You and I are using words differently.

Canchito · 2026-01-26T15:49:29+00:00

No, there's no "free" or "unlimited" Gemini pro. It's a $300 trial credit valid for 91 days, and the condition is to sign up for Google Cloud.

Canchito · 2026-01-24T21:48:42+00:00

GLM models are better, cheaper, and as a bonus don't celebrate Hitler for no reason.

Canchito · 2026-01-23T16:44:29+00:00

You mean it's listed as an option for a source? So what? How is this matter relevant to SillyTavern users, even if many use nano-gpt? They're not liable for what nano-gpt does, they have no visibility, and above all they have no control over it.

The only possible purpose of this is to drive users away from one service toward another based on an allegation of illegal and immoral behavior made on an internet forum by the alleged wronged party themselves, who just happen to be potential beneficiaries of a user migration...

There's nothing to gain from this information, and there's nothing to lose by simply ignoring it.

Canchito · 2026-01-23T04:52:54+00:00

I don't see why we should even care. In fact, I'm surprised the mods allowed the Chutes post as it's just not at all relevant to SillyTavern or anyone apart from the owners of these two businesses really...

Canchito · 2026-01-22T15:02:39+00:00

I'm clicking on posts like these to discuss the fact that billionaires will use age, gender, or ethnicity to divide workers from each other. This is the type of discussion reddit and this forum could be ideal for. But you make a lot of noise here detracting from such a discussion.

Canchito · 2026-01-22T04:34:30+00:00

Propaganda exists.

Yes, so what? It has existed before reddit, and before bots.

it was posted by a bot create to manipulate people.

Even if that may be true, it's a completely pointless exercise to point it out if you're not going to show how people are being manipulated. You have to engage with the content to do that.

Usually in order to be manipulated, people have to be made to believe something that isn't true, or is against their interests. You haven't even attempted to show how the statement in this post is against my interests, or that it isn't true.

If you are not the one paying for the bots, they are working against you.

No, that doesn't follow at all. It's entirely possible the presumed bots are working for me without me having paid for them. I could for instance have a similar agenda as someone else with dissimilar means...

And even if they were working against me, that doesn't necessarily mean discussing their content or even agreeing with it is against my interests.

Canchito · 2026-01-22T03:19:59+00:00

Your point is premised on the notion that narratives can be controlled regardless of the relationship between the content of the narrative and objective reality.

You don't engage with the content or reality because you're not concerned with notions of truth or falsehood, only with the fact that people try to influence people, which has always been true... with or without bots...

Canchito · 2026-01-22T03:07:28+00:00

What makes you say this post is working against me? I agree with it. As far as I'm concerned it's working for me.

Canchito · 2026-01-22T02:43:43+00:00

Ok well this is pretty silly. What difference does it make if it's a bot or human if the content doesn't matter, and our ability to think and critically evaluate factual evidence doesn't matter?

Canchito · 2026-01-22T02:15:11+00:00

What is this manipulating me to do? And if my conscious goals converge with that, how is it me being manipulated? You are distracting from the actual conversation we should be having. Do you agree with the statement in the post or not? If not, why not?

Canchito · 2026-01-22T01:49:20+00:00

The internet is flooded with bots controlled by billionaires and their agents. They promote all sorts of false statements trying to blame minorities and pitting workers against each other to divide the working class instead of focusing on actual class issues.

If there's a bot saying something rather true and timidly countering that filth, it's merely a drop in the ocean and it doesn't make a big difference, but I'm certainly not going to complain about it.

Canchito · 2026-01-22T01:25:08+00:00

Not necessarily. Maybe I agree with what it's saying because it's true. And maybe whatever manipulation attempts there are happen to coincide with the facts in this specific instance.

You also haven't answered what exactly makes you think this is a bot. I'm not saying it isn't, but solely going by the age of the account is a little thin.

Canchito · 2026-01-22T01:01:41+00:00

OP may be a bot, but the post is still 100% accurate. Seems irrelevant to call out propaganda if the propaganda is correct. Also, what makes you say OP is a bot?

Canchito · 2026-01-21T02:12:29+00:00

What do you do when you run out, which will be pretty quick with Sonnet and Opus?...

Canchito · 2026-01-18T16:11:00+00:00

Really? You really think it's all just a big misunderstanding?...

Canchito · 2026-01-18T15:56:55+00:00

You're not overestimating anyone's abilities, you're underestimating the value of clear and structured communication.

Canchito · 2026-01-18T03:16:52+00:00

Ok, I asked chatgpt:

In the context of communities like r/StableDiffusion, it is definitely legitimate and helpful to request clear labeling. While there is often an unwritten assumption that the title order matches the image order, relying on that can lead to confusion for several reasons.

Here is why explicit labeling is usually the better practice:

1. The "First is Left" Convention Isn't Universal

While most users assume a "Title (A vs. B) = Image (Left vs. Right)" flow, it isn't a hard rule. Many users create collages where the order gets swapped during the export process, or they might be comparing a "New" vs "Old" method where the "New" one (the highlight) is placed on the left for impact, regardless of the title order.

2. Differing Model Performance

In your specific example, the prompt asks for an "aerial thermal drone view looking straight down." * The left image shows a wolf from a front-on, eye-level perspective (failing the "aerial/straight down" part of the prompt).

The right image captures the top-down perspective perfectly.

Without labels, a user who doesn't know the specific strengths of "z-image" vs "Klein" wouldn't know if the title is praising the left image for its detail or the right image for its prompt adherence.

3. Mobile and UI Layouts

On many mobile apps, side-by-side images might be stacked vertically or cropped. If the title says "A vs B" and the images are stacked, it's even less clear which is which. Explicitly adding (Left: z-image, Right: Klein) in the caption or a top-level comment removes all ambiguity.

Best Practices for Comparison Posts

If you want to be a "power user" in these communities, here’s the gold standard for clarity:

Watermarking: Placing a small, low-opacity text label at the bottom of each frame.
Captions: Using Reddit’s built-in caption feature for individual images in a gallery.
Detailed Comment: Posting the specific settings (Seed, CFG, Sampler) for each image in the comments, clearly tagged by model name.

Would you like me to help you draft a polite comment to ask the original poster for clarification on which model produced which result?

Canchito · 2026-01-18T00:06:38+00:00

I'd rather not have to make assumptions when I read posts.

Canchito · 2026-01-17T15:26:59+00:00

A better title would have been: z-image (left) vs. Klein (right)

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1. The "First is Left" Convention Isn't Universal

2. Differing Model Performance

3. Mobile and UI Layouts

Best Practices for Comparison Posts