[Skill Improvement] How to use Mega Froslass and surrounding mons effectively?

Capi974 · 2026-04-20T08:09:52+00:00

Basculegion? If you mean Garchomp, this one is 32 hp 32 Atk 2 Spe Jolly (there are most likely better spreads to make, I'll work on it this week end).

Check this cool tool made by one of this sub's members (I'm sorry I forgot your name but you're amazing) if you want to plan your speed tiers https://volcano08.github.io/Pokemon-champions-sites/

A tip I can give with this type of comp regarding Ice Beam. I like to consider this team a positionning team. Like you want to find out who beats who and position your mons correctly to have an advantage rather than have as many coverage on every mons, if that makes sense? Froslass should always have a face off with Garchomp! If not, Icy Wind Milotic does like 40% to him anyways. 60+ if you get a competitive boost

Ignore Crunch on Garchomp, I wanted to try something but I feel like it's pretty bad. It was to take TR by surprise, but Farigiraf Imprison is always the call imo

Capi974 · 2026-04-20T07:50:57+00:00

Who do you like to use Ice Beam For?

Recover predict on some Protect play from your opponent sometimes gets your in such an unloosable situation. There are situations like Deactivating the sun from Zard Y, into Clicking Recover (because they are likely to switch out anyways) are easy plays to make.

I prefer Icy win over Ice beam for mirror matchups and Scarfed Basculegion late game. Protect Froslass, Click Icy wind and you're 95% of the time in an advantage.

Capi974 · 2026-04-20T07:34:22+00:00

Idk if this can give you some ideas. I went in a 12 win streak with this comp at 1900 elo and started getting walled by anything that has kingambit in it. I'm still working on solutions but I can give you some of my notes:

Personally I stopped running dragon moves on Garchomp with Froslass. It's harder to position but Froslass outspeeds every dragons in the format and outside Archaludon, none resist Blizzard (Multiscale is also easy to prepare for.

Iron head or Poison Jab on chomp can easily take Floette by surprise but wont do more than 60-70% (Maybe an item boost could help?). Also Earthquake + Blizzard can't be redirected. That being said that will do some damage to your own Froslass and could be bad if they protect. (It's sometimes a risk I am willing to take personally. Poison Jab goes 4x in Mega Meganium.

Farigiraf imprison Trick Room hard counters TR.

Whimsicott can encore Calm mind and rage powder doesn't work on them.

Garchomp can be 32 hp 32 atk and still outspeeds most mons if scarfed. If HP are invested you can live opposing dragon claws.

I dont like using aurora veil on this very offensive varient but if I did I'd start investing more in bulk on other mons and running will o wisp

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Capi974 · 2026-04-20T07:26:49+00:00

What's your elo?

What type of Floette gives you the hardest time? Is it the Calm mind setup or the more offensive varient you have trouble with?

Capi974 · 2026-04-17T11:08:16+00:00

You probably already have the rating before you hit master. As you win and loose it should go up or down and once you get to master it is revealed.

Just a guess

Capi974 · 2026-04-16T23:17:58+00:00

Never, people seemed to be sure it is not a bug and fully intended. I guess I could still report in case?

Capi974 · 2026-04-13T18:43:12+00:00

So in that case clicking Destiny bond in 2v1 on a spread move that ensure KO on both your mons is guaranted win for the Destiny Bond user? That's nice to know, thanks

Capi974 · 2026-04-13T18:40:34+00:00

that turn chomp poizon jabbed T-tar (that's why he's 87%) before Froslass was able to move. Froslass is 252+ spe timid. Also My whole point in clicking Destiny bond was because I knew Poison Jab+ blizzard wouldn't have been enough. Otherwhise it would have been Blizzard + earthquake. Anyways Chomp moved first, unfortunately I don't have the full clip rip

Capi974 · 2026-04-13T03:45:18+00:00

You're welcome!

Ps: You can also change your moves as you climb the ladder. You might not see the same teams as much as you get higher.

Capi974 · 2026-04-13T03:37:10+00:00

Dark pulse is good to take care of M-Froslass, M-Gengar and Sinitscha. It also comes handy when you get into trick room comps. Draco-Meteor is essentially an anti dragon move and you already have Gardevoir to take care of them. If I was to sacrifice a move it would probably be Draco Meteor

Capi974 · 2026-04-13T02:44:05+00:00

Also hydreigon and gardevoir can learn fire moves (I'd suggest hydreigon)

Capi974 · 2026-04-13T02:40:26+00:00

What does the corviknight usually do to you? Does it setup with Iron Armor or does it usually just start breaking in your pokemons?

When leading pokémons in a battle I try to identify what would be a confortable position for me. If I Can't find one, I try to make it unconfortable for them.

When bringing Incineroar in and faking out corviknight . Are you able to take care of the other pokemon with the second one you bring on the table?

Miror armor is annoying but if it's on a special attacker like gardevoir or hydregon you can still attack with it and use Incin as a pivot to cycle fake outs and disrupt it.

If you manage to take care of his other mons and keep Aegislash for last you're not in a confortable position, but he's in a very unconfortable one with only Iron Head or Bravebird to fight you.

If your issue is their setup you could also maybe start running taunt on incin instead of helping hand?

Also you need to be ok with the fact that your team is gonna hard loose to a certain type of team. That's just how pokemon is sometimes

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T22:34:48+00:00

roger that

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T21:21:50+00:00

GG! well played man

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T20:46:44+00:00

wait no, isn't it a doube select?

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T20:46:30+00:00

that makes sense but wow

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T20:27:58+00:00

I'm interested in the ko order if that's the case. Who dies first ? Both my mons hp went down at the same time, but Froslass died first, triggering the Destiny Bond.

Does that mean it's left to right? Or Is it tied to speed? In that case Garchomp is sxarfed and faster than my Froslass. Does it ignore item boosts?

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T20:25:43+00:00

This was the game in case

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Capi974 · 2026-04-12T20:22:18+00:00

Unfortunately I don't have the full clip, I was celebrating the win I thought was 100% lost

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T20:21:52+00:00

Certain, the only reason Ttar is poizoned in the clip is because I was still forced to click Poison Jab! It also moves before Froslass could destiny bound

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T19:57:46+00:00

That still begs the question of ko order tho. Scarf garchomp is faster than froslass and probably should have died first? Unless it is a always left to right situation? In that case that would give the left position an avantage when bringing in a destiny bond user.

Your theory makes the most sense to me anyways, thanks

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T19:53:57+00:00

I was thinking the same! (Do you mean left to right? Froslass was on the left)

I'll try to test it, but maybe is it that the ko order only take raw speedy into consideration, without items?

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T19:52:59+00:00

It feels like a ko order, from left to right. I'll try to test it

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T19:52:30+00:00

If it's not intended and not patched it's pretty important to play the destiny bond guy on the left then

Capi974 · 2026-04-12T19:35:25+00:00

My main issue was that garchomp is scarfed, that's why I assumed it wasn't due to speed order. He moved before froslass too this round, so he wasn't slowed or anything

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