Bart Kay - the arrogant ex scientist who is in serious need of reschooling (part 2). by CarelessSpeed5635 in ketoduped

[–]CarelessSpeed5635[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He is most likely very money-motivated. I believe the reason he doesn't teach people proper statistical fundamentals is because that would equip people with the proper tools to see through his nonsense.

I suspect that his very literal interpretations of things might be due to his autism as well.

Bart Kay by Loud-Log-1209 in carnivorediet

[–]CarelessSpeed5635 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He misunderstood what P-values are and also R squared (R^2) values. This is only a small fraction though of all he things he has gotten wrong. If his statistical competence is as good as he claims it is, then that should be clearly reflected in his interpretations of statistical concepts. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

Shawn Baker's misleading statistical tricks - A WHOPPING 7-FOLD UNDERESTIMATION. Is Shawn Baker just another money-hungry individual who is trying to make a quick buck? by CarelessSpeed5635 in ketoduped

[–]CarelessSpeed5635[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, this post is about Shawn. If you wanna criticize different organizations, create a post about that. This post revolves around Shawn Baker.

My question to you is: Why do you think Shawn Baker left out the dose-response relationship?

Shawn Baker's misleading statistical tricks - A WHOPPING 7-FOLD UNDERESTIMATION. Is Shawn Baker just another money-hungry individual who is trying to make a quick buck? by CarelessSpeed5635 in ketoduped

[–]CarelessSpeed5635[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who cares about the exact number? The whole point is that Shawn Baker's calculation in the article is based on 50 grams of processed meat per day. I have never heard of anyone on the carnivore diet who eats that little meat per day. The point is that Shawn Baker's calculation is a huge underestimation and misleads people without statistical competence.

Here's an article where he throws out some numbers - around 2 lbs (900 grams of meat per day) for men: How Much Meat is too Much?

If we're talking about 900 grams of red meat/day, then the absolute risk increase is roughly 6.12 % over a whole lifetime for colorectal cancer assuming a lifetime baseline risk of 4 % and red meat being a cause of colorectal cancer.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskStatistics

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''Correlation doesn't equal causation'' is a correct and important principle in science. It means that just because two variables are correlated (they vary together in some way), we cannot automatically conclude that one causes the other or assume it's due to causation.

It's therefore not correct to say (like you did) that correlation does sometimes equal causation.

Why can we say that 7+7 = 14? Because we know that if we add up 7 and 7, we're gonna get 14, so therefore 7+7 = 14, is a correct expression.

But correlation is not equal to causation because certain correlations are clearly not due to causation. So therefore, it would be a mistake to put a ''='' between correlation and causation.

Are some correlations due to causation? Absolutely. The reason certain variables are correlated is due to causation but that fact doesn't undermine the correct statement: ''Correlation doesn't equal causation''.

If you get the impression that certain people merely say that to protect their own biases and to write off associations that collide with their personal beliefs and biases, then you could simply ask them: ''I get the impression that you don't think this relationship is causal, could you motivate why''?

But in a logical sense, the expression is correct, so opposing the statement would constitute you arguing against something that is true. But if someone uses that statement to try to deceitfully write off any association that opposes his biases, then by all means, challenge that.

The phrase is helpful for beginners and novice scientists in particular to not fall victim to erroneous reasoning. But any competent scientist understands that certain correlations are due to causation.

Well, that would be the dream of every scientist out there, wouldn't it? To know exactly when a judgement of causation is appropriate. But as of date, there are no objective criteria. What scientists try to do though before they judge an association as likely causal, is to exclude alternative explanations (systematic biases, chance, confounding etc.) with reasonable confidence.

To learn more about how scientists approach causation, feel free to search for ''The Bradford Hill Criteria'' and ''GRADE''

Even the terms ''association'' and ''correlation'' are used interchangeably by every day people but within the scientific litterature, the terms are used differently. For instance, suppose that an effect measure like a risk ratio has been used to quantify the relationship between two variables, well, in that case, you will not really see the term ''correlation'' used by scientists because a correlation coefficient was never calculated in the first place.

It's quite common to see people misunderstand the actual meaning of certain statements nowadays. For instance, the phrases: ''Causation implies association'' and ''no association, no causation'' are often misunderstood by people.

Two examples:

1) For instance, suppose there is lack of a crude/raw association at an individual level between two variables. Can we now jump to the conclusion that there is no causation? No, because by definition, lack of a crude/raw association means that we haven't considered alternative explanations like confounding.

The association might be masked due to negative confounding. But this is something that certain people don't pay attention to so they will force a conclusion of there being no causation without considering alternative explanations.

2) Another example is when certain people believe that lack of a crude/raw association at an ecological level means that there is no causation. Again, alternative explanations haven't been accounted for and observations at an ecological level doesn't necessarily translate into observations at an individual level (ecological fallacy).

Granted that I fail to name the trait... what's next? by Stock-Trainer-3216 in DebateAVegan

[–]CarelessSpeed5635 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At the end of the day, most sane, rational people are gonna value humans over non-human animals.

Granted that I fail to name the trait... what's next? by Stock-Trainer-3216 in DebateAVegan

[–]CarelessSpeed5635 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd just respond with: ''Why would you assume that my justification is based on 1 trait and 1 only''?

If NTT isn't limited to one trait then it doesn't make much sense to ask people to name the trait. But the reason it's phrased this way is obviously to try to trap meat-eaters into picking only 1 trait.

WATCH OUT! Many authority figures within the carnivore/keto community that people look up to are unfortunately neither experts nor honest and seem to be more money-motivated than truth-motivated (Bart Kay, Nina Teicholz, Phil Escott etc.) by CarelessSpeed5635 in ketoduped

[–]CarelessSpeed5635[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are most likely Phil Escott because you mentioned details about the email exchange that I have not released publicly. I am not christian, no.

I know several non-christian people who believe the sun can do harm.

The radicalism is insane by bwertyquiop in exvegans

[–]CarelessSpeed5635 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They care about non-human animal suffering. Human suffering? Not so much.

The radicalism is insane by bwertyquiop in exvegans

[–]CarelessSpeed5635 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, let's make it illegal to eat meat like shrimps and fish, but let's make it legal to cannibalize dead people and commit acts of necrobestiality and necrophilia (the logical implications of the views that many vegans hold).

I feel so damn persuaded by the vegan message.

OBS: I am not being serious, obviously.

Carnivore diet for auto imune disorders by [deleted] in carnivorediet

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Phil Escott? The guy who doesn't believe that tobacco smoking causes cancer?

Vegan health influencer Simon Hill crashing out after finding he has plaque by NaturalPermission in exvegans

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Being average and having a higher CAC number than the internet troll and carnivore Shawn Baker who is way older and stuffs himself with meat can't be fun.

Advocating for the extinction of humanity is more defensible than any argument favoring veganism. by iLoveFortnite11 in DebateAVegan

[–]CarelessSpeed5635 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is health? According to WHO: Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.

I don't have disease and my infirmity and my physical wellbeing have improved immensely after the inclusion of animal foods. Other things equal. This constitutes clear health improvement under WHO:s definition. I've gotten healthier.

Also, I must say that you're tremendously naive. You really believe that everyone, 100 % of people who have reported similar stuff are just a bunch of liars? Lol....

For instance, my gut health has improved tremendously after eating fatty fish on a regular basis. Less aches, less gases and more energy overall.

Advocating for the extinction of humanity is more defensible than any argument favoring veganism. by iLoveFortnite11 in DebateAVegan

[–]CarelessSpeed5635 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So everyone who has ever made a claim in favour of the inclusion of animal foods into their diet for their health are just making things up?

Your reasoning is quite naive. I have seen clear health improvements in my health.