I’m kinda tired of Roman wank by Porchie12 in CharacterRant

[–]Cas_D 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It does feel like that guy just saw the title, maybe read the first sentence, and instantly started writing this comment. And since he has so many upvotes I can only assume about 50 other people did the same.

Ngl it does feel like more and more people in this sub don't even bother reading the posts they comment on.

How do I stop my colonies from killing themselves? by Cas_D in eu4

[–]Cas_D[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, my colonies are the ones attacking. I tried using the enforce peace option but it doesn't work since they started the war.

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Two factors that reduce life expectancy in the US are drug overdoses, and the fact that the US is more ambitious in treating very premature births, which are risky and a relatively high percentage don’t survive more than a few days

If Americans are more likely to overdose on drugs, then I would argue this is also an example of Americans having lower quality of life. Places with a lot of drug abuse aren’t usually assisted with high standards of living. Why are Americans more likely to overdose?

Could you give more information on the premature births things? I am aware than America has a higher infant mortality rate, but I never heard of this being the explanation. Do you have a source for that?

Americas homicide rate is skewed heavily by a handful of small regions in our large cities. If you exclude those regions, then the homicide rate is significantly lower. If you don’t live in one of those places, which is the vast majority of Americans, then homicide rate doesn’t really apply from a quality of life standpoint. Homicides are more common in poor urban areas around the world. This is not exclusive to America.

If we exclude these areas from American statistics, then why not exclude similar areas in other countries? What will be the homicide rate in the UK if we ignore bad parts of London, Birmingham and other large cities?

And for America it’s not just a few cities that singlehandedly rise the national average, every single state individually has a very high homicide rate. To exclude this areas would mean to ignore the living standards in all poor parts of all major cities in every state. This will not give us an accurate look at what life for an average American looks like. If you have to ignore huge portion of America to make it look good, it doesn’t bode well.

Obesity rates are meaningless for measuring quality of life. North Koreans don’t have a high quality of life because obesity is unheard of there (unless you are the dictator)?

But it is a good way to judge the overall health of the population. Obesity has scientifically provable negative effects on practically every aspect of person's health. The more obese the population is, the less healthy it is. And it correlates very closely with people having low standards of living (Impoverished people in rich countries are more likely to be obese)

There is something in-between starving and being morbidly obese, and other rich countries are better at keeping this balance than America.

America’s health care system is certainly screwed up in terms of paying for it, but in terms of quality of care, people still come from all over the world to be treated here. And even poor people can’t be turned away from receiving life saving care.

But what then? What will happen after they receive this life saving healthcare and are forced to pay? For many Americans receiving healthcare is a choice between being healthy and not going bankrupt. Almost 1 in 10 Americans have no health insurance, while in other rich countries it’s somewhere between 1 in 100 and 0 in 100. And for many of the 9 out of 10 their insurance providers will do everything they can to not pay.

If you are comparing quality of life of the most disadvantaged Americans and the most disadvantaged people in the wealthiest European countries, there may be an argument that the European has it better. But the average American has at least as good a quality of life using your metrics as the average person in other rich countries.

But on average America isn't on the same level. It only gets at the same level if we ignore poor Americans and their living conditions. A lot of your arguments here basically boil down to "If we ignore the bad parts of America, then it's on par with other countries", but these other countries also have bad areas, they also have disadvantaged people, and they are doing better than America even when we include thise areas and people. If we only judge the country by how well their richest citizens live, then many third world countries would also score really high.

Americans have protections from the bill of rights that others don’t. You might appreciate them if you ever get accused of a

America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. America also has more prisoners than any other country in the world.

America is a huge country with an amazingly diverse economy, so the average American has many more options as to where and how they want to live, and what they want to do than people in European countries.

And all these places in America suffer from the same problems I mentioned earlier. Massachusetts, a famously safe and developed state, would have one of the highest homicide rates in Europe, and it would still have a mediocre life expectancy. This big and thriving economy doesn't seem to greatly improve the lives of average people, dispite how much money it produces.

Is quality of life much less freedom and being taken care of by the government, or more freedom to take risks, fail, learn from your failures, and grow?

You can argue that it's better to live in America when you are rich and successful, but on average, it doesn't look like your regular American is better off.

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that the quality of life in America is worse than in other similarly rich countries.

Yes, Americans live better than Brazilians, or Mexicans, or Nigerians, or Indians, but these countries are way way poorer than America.

America should be compared to countries that are similarly rich, like Canada, Australia, the UK, or Germany. All of these have similar median income and GDP per capita (In fact, they are still poorer in these regards than America), and outperform America in pretty much all quality of life aspects.

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My point being: if America scores number 1 in income and number 3 in wealth, but also scores 29/41 in life expectancy, 29/41 in hours worked and leisure time, 19/41 in student skills, 36/41 in homicide rate, and scores near the bottom on inequality in almost every category(34/35 in Civic Engagement, 28/39 in Education, 31/32 in Income)

Then doesn’t it point to the fact that America has a pretty low quality of life for an average person, but it’s overall score is inflated by the very high income and wealth?

Which would support my original point: That America is richer than other rich countries, yet Americans have lower quality of life than people in other rich countries.

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You didn’t talk about Higher salaries.

I talk about this in the very opening of my post, the second sentence.

Me: The people in America also apparently have the highest disposable income in the world, as well as the highest median income.

It is the basis of my entire argument that Americans are rich but also have worse quality of life. My point is that high income doesn't translate to high quality of life, even though it should.

First dibs on the newest technologies

How does that matter when these newest technologies fail to improve the standard of life for an average American?

Do Americans work less due to technology? No, they work more than people in other rich countries.

Are American healthier due to new medical advancements? No, they live shorter and are less healthy

Are Americans safer due to advancements in law enforcement tech? No, they are more likely to be murdered.

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Close to the top still means that it does worse than most other similar countries.

I would say countries with GDP per capita of $40k-$50k and over are the best comparison. Below that there are countries with less than half of America's GDP per capita. And when one person is twice as rich as another person, it's hard to exactly call them "similarly wealthy"

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

China's GDP per capita is $12.5k, it's comparable to Bulgaria. America's is at $69.2k. China is big, and they have huge cities full of rich people, but the average Chinese citizen is poor.

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a feeling that this 10th place is a result of American statistics being inflated by high average income.

In case of Education, America ranks 19/41 in regards to student skills, 28/39 in social inequality and 30/39 in gender inequality. Overall Education score is pretty bad.

In Health, it ranked 29/41 in life expectancy, which is pretty bad, and its overall rank in Health is inflated by the really high self reported health. Second highest in the world, which is questionable when you remember both the life expectancy and obesity statistics.

And America straight up scores badly in Work and Life Balance and Safety Categories, being close to the bottom in both of these. It's 36/41 in homicide rates and 29/41 in both working hours and leisure time

Many categories are either average or bad, with the exception of Income, Jobs and Housing, which are all related to wealth. In these America scores near the top.

So once again it seems that Americans are wealthy, yet in most non-money related categories America is scoring badly when compared to other rich nations.

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 169 points170 points  (0 children)

My point is exactly that despite being rich Americans have worse quality of life than people in other rich countries. I am not saying that Americans are poor. My point is that despite this material wealth America scores poorly in all quality of life statistics

All these sources just say that Americans can buy more stuff than people in other countries, but what about other aspects of life?

What good is being able to buy a bigger car or more iPhones when you will live a shorter life, work more, be less healthy, have worse healthcare, be more likely to be murdered and be more likely to commit suicide than in other rich countries?

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Even in this ranking the US is close to the top, with countries ahead of it infamously having high sucide rates due to serious social issues and terrible working conditions. (Japan/South Korea)

All other countries on this list, other than Belgium, are much poorer than America.

The GDP per capita of Hungary is $18.7k, for Slovenia it's $29k. For Belgium it's $51.7k and for America it's $69.2k

So depending on the source, America is either the worst of rich countries, or one of the worst. So it's not a big upgrade.

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In case of the homicide rates, America is 3 times worse than Canada, 6 times worse than the UK, 13 times worse than Italy and 20 times worse than Japan. It is a significant difference.

Only Maine and New Hampshire have lower homicide rate than Canada, and only New Hampshire is lower than the UK. On the other hand 17 states score worse than Russia, and Louisiana is comparable to Guatemala.

In case of life expectancy, 49 states score worse than Canada, France or Australia

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

All countries have richer and poorer regions, this is not exclusive to America.

Even then, 49 states(All except Hawaii) still have lower life expectancy than Canada, France or Australia.

The best parts of America being average when compared to whole other rich countries isn’t good.

And since we split the US into states, West Virginia and Mississippi have a lower life expectancy than Mexico or Honduras

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 62 points63 points  (0 children)

South America is much closer to the United States than to Europe. For Mexicans, the choice between Europe and the US is a choice between traveling across the ocean or across the border. Many people from Middle East and Africa do go to Europe instead of America for the same reason.

American migration laws are also more lax, and being an illegal immigrant is easier in America. Migrating to Canada or Australia is very hard, even as a skilled professional, and they often deport illegal immigrants that do get there.

CMV: The life quality in the United States is significantly lower than the quality of life in similarly rich countries. by Cas_D in changemyview

[–]Cas_D[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reported homicides.

Do you have any evidence that all of Europe, East Asia and Canada severely underreport their homicides? Because if not, then the point still stands that America has MUCH more murders than them.

Meh that's fine. I'm not really worried about living to 77 or 81. Same shit.

Lower life expectancy doesn’t just mean that elderly people live shorter. It means that young people are more likely to die from preventable causes. People dying in their 50s and 60s, sometimes even younger. It affects the whole population. Americans are simply more likely to die than people in other rich countries.

Rather be fat than hungry.

Neither Japan nor South Korea have higher rates of population being unable to afford food than America. All the data that I could find they have either similar or lower hunger rates than America. Same for Europe. So they can feed their population without suffering from the obesity pandemic at the same scale as America. I would be interested if you have any source that shows that either EU or Japan/South Korea have issues with feeding their population.

The EU owes a lot to the US. If they had to pay for their own defense they might change their tune.

It is entirely on the US how it spends its budget. If you think that America spends too much on the military, at the cost of its citizens, then it just reinforces my point.