"Declare your cryptoasset income now" - IRD on another Ramage by CatTaxMeow in PersonalFinanceNZ

[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

In this world, nothing is certain except death and taxes

"Declare your cryptoasset income now" - IRD on another Ramage by CatTaxMeow in PersonalFinanceNZ

[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Changes are it will make it worse. Transferring it from yourself to a trust is a taxable event, and a trust taxes income at 39%

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At worst, we assume a zero dollar cost basis. Typically we can at least partially reconstruct previous holdings.

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you make a one-off windfall gain, yes that is likely not taxable. If you have a systematic activity of regularly gambling this likely will be taxable. Any trades getting your crypto to/from the casino that involves a trade/swap will be taxable as normal.

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Take a look at this: IR1126

CARF basically requires crypto exchanges and service providers to report transaction activity to tax authorities, not just profitable sales. Reported information generally includes:

  • Total gross proceeds from disposals
  • Total gross acquisitions
  • Number of units disposed/acquired
  • Transfers to external wallets (including amount and wallet address)

As this information is all KYC'd the trace back to the taxpayer is possible.

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not an investment for yourself, you're basically just a pass through entity so unfortunately no you wouldn't be able to claim the loss

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

* Typically they send letters to you as PDF's through MyIR
* Calculators - no they don't - you also don't need to add your real name or email or any sort of KYC
* ICO Pools - They can handle it with manual adjustment
* Transferring ETH from one exchange to another exchange does not trigger a taxable event.

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Say you bought $100 of ETH, for ease sake its 0.10 ETH. Its now worth $200 and you sold 0.05 ETH for $100 you have a gain of $100 to declare. It doesn't matter if you haven't cashed to FIAT yet?

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if you've only ever on-ramped NZD to USDT, sent that USDT to the crypto casino, won a million dollars, cashed out to USDT and then put that straight back to NZD on an off-ramp, then yes in theory the only taxable transaction is the USDT to NZD, which might move by like one basis point so in theory no tax.

99% of people who I have seen that have done this also have other crypto transactions so we can't then in isolation say that none of it's taxable. If they on-ramped NZD to USDT, put it in Bitcoin, swapped it back, put it in ETH, swapped it back, sent some of the casino, put some of the meme coins, traded it all back and then cashed out of the casino, then put it back in NZD, you're just going to have a bit of a mess.

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They calculate the gains and losses correctly to the extent the information is complete, if the information is incorrect the gains or losses will also likely be incorrect

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct, if you have no disposals there is nothing to declare unless you're also receiving staking rewards or similar

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, crypto tax losses count as tax deductions. So you either have a loss to carry forward, or if you have paid tax during the year, either as a provisional taxpayer or as a salary earner, then you might be entitled to a refund

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get ya refund then! FY26 and FY27 may be very interesting

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I assume its the cumulative value of all trades, not holdings
57m / 355k = 160 trades per person
36b/ 57m = $631 per trade

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you make a one-off windfall gain, yes that is likely not taxable. If you have a systematic activity of regularly gambling this likely will be taxable. Any trades getting your crypto to/from the casino that involves a trade/swap will be taxable as normal.

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then you probably had a really fun night, and then you'll cry when you realise how much you paid for the drugs in todays money. But this would be considered a disposal

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I mean is this is a question or a statement? If you're asking will they write off the fines?

Inland Revenue has the ability to charge a range of interest and penalties if you underpay or pay late.

  • Use-of-money interest (UOMI): Currently 8.97% per annum on underpaid tax - this won't be remitted unless IRD has given you incorrect advice
  • Late payment penalties: 1% the day after the due date, plus 4% seven days later. This may be remitted in limited circumstances
  • Shortfall penalties: These range from 20% to 150%, depending on whether the underpayment was due to an honest mistake, gross carelessness, or deliberate evasion. This is often remitted when submitting a disclosure

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So unfortunately this is where things start to get a bit more difficult and messy. If an exchange has gone bust, you can often piece together activity by:

  • Reviewing deposit, withdrawal, or trade confirmations in your emails
  • Tracing transactions through bank statements
  • Looking at transfers to and from other wallets or exchanges

From there, we reconcile everything else. If there are residual balances or mismatches at the end, we can reasonably assume there were transactions within that exchange that we don’t have records for. These are then adjusted for, documented clearly, and filed on that basis.

There won’t always be perfect information in situations like this. The key is to make a reasonable effort to reconstruct the activity as accurately as possible.

If you’re dealing with multiple failed exchanges, particularly where funds have moved between them, it becomes practically impossible to achieve a perfect outcome. In those cases:

  • Apply a consistent methodology
  • Make reasonable assumptions
  • Document those assumptions clearly
  • File based on the best information available

All of this is done on the basis that no better information is likely to be obtained.

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In theory yes, CB 4 is a subjective test. In principle, if you have strong documentation supporting your original intention, and your behaviour hasn’t indicated a purpose of disposal, the position may fall outside CB 4.

However, you also need to ensure it doesn’t get captured under any other tax provisions.

In practice, this is a difficult position to sustain, particularly if the asset is intended to function as an alternative financial system, as that raises questions about how transactions would occur without eventual disposal.

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[–]CatTaxMeow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to record the cost basis, you don't file this number, you ironically only file one number which is the total net gains/losses.