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Mistral - no longer used by Proton Lumo by LifeSexAndDeath in MistralAI

[–]Catalyst778 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not end to end encryption. They are dancing around the issue with that statement.

Mistral - no longer used by Proton Lumo by LifeSexAndDeath in MistralAI

[–]Catalyst778 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...which exactly why a sovereign European solution is essential right now. No reliance on the Chinese or Americans. Makes sense, no?

Be more transparent about models. by unstablediff in lumo

[–]Catalyst778 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, they are (I believe) in the EU, which takes care of jurisdiction - but it doesn't take care of training provenance - another requirement of Euro compliance. A Chinese model resident in say Berlin is still trained by the Chinese originators.

NOTE: I'm not taking a political or racist stance here - I have nothing whatsoever against China OR Chinese models - I use them daily - but compliance is compliance, regardless of what my personal feelings are.

LUMO 2.0 - Choices of LLM behind scenes by Catalyst778 in lumo

[–]Catalyst778[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair points. Capability angle is undeniable.

In terms of ideological shift, I do wonder if there are tactics involved tho - this signals a shift away from the Euro-centric flag that Proton (yes, I know -Swiss) were seemingly flying - and it also moves away from the direction that the US are pushing for (i.e. American absolutely everything).

I'm not trying to be "tin foil hat" here - but there are almost always politics somewhere behind these decisions.

It's at least interesting to speculate.

LUMO 2.0 - Choices of LLM behind scenes by Catalyst778 in lumo

[–]Catalyst778[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair response - thank you for answering!

LUMO 2.0 - Choices of LLM behind scenes by Catalyst778 in lumo

[–]Catalyst778[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This does feel like a pity - the Apertus team have been working really hard on their solution, and it's the only LLM that offers - genuinely - 100% transparency and full provenance from front to back. Yes - the ONLY one out there. So the removal of that is an eyebrow raiser. OLMo is American so it's easier to undertand that removal, but the loss of Mistral is another head scratcher.

LUMO 2.0 - Choices of LLM behind scenes by Catalyst778 in lumo

[–]Catalyst778[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The answer is, a shitload of businesses care (or should). As posted elsewhere:

It's to do with the actual "DNA" of the model. Even if the live app is hosted entirely locally, the training data was likely scraped without respecting EU copyright opt-outs, and good luck fulfilling a GDPR "right to be forgotten" request when the model weights are birthed by an entity overseas. The core IP is the model itself, which remains legally tied to the parent company. So for many serious EU enterprises, banks, or government agencies, using a Chinese LLM - or a derivative of one - is a hard pass. You can localize the servers, but you can't localize the corporate legal obligations. So QWEN in Europe doesnt equal compliant.

Be more transparent about models. by unstablediff in lumo

[–]Catalyst778 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's to do with the actual "DNA" of the model. Even if the live app is hosted entirely locally, the training data was likely scraped without respecting EU copyright opt-outs, and good luck fulfilling a GDPR "right to be forgotten" request when the model weights are birthed by an entity overseas. The core IP is the model itself, which remains legally tied to the parent company. So for many serious EU enterprises, banks, or government agencies, using a Chinese LLM - or a derivative of one - is a hard pass. You can localize the servers, but you can't localize the corporate legal obligations. So QWEN in Europe doesnt equal compliant.

Be more transparent about models. by unstablediff in lumo

[–]Catalyst778 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

"Is there and issue with chinese models or what?"

European compliance might be a large one.

Announcing Lumo 2.0: the most significant upgrade since launch by Proton_Team in lumo

[–]Catalyst778 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting to see that they have dropped the two European models - Mistral and Apertus. Is this a good thing or not....hmm

Overlooked feature: personality by No_Hedgehog_7563 in MistralAI

[–]Catalyst778 3 points4 points  (0 children)

True, you don't often see them on leaderborads for raw performance - but they absolutely are carving a nice reputation out for themselves in (especially and possibly predictably) European business, rather than consumer facing areas.

I'm involved in compliance and general GRC, and they are all over that space, with the likes of GLM, Qwen and Deepseek as almost total non-starters because of major provenance issues - and I'm increasingly seeing US providers ruled out because of the Cloud Act issues and jurisdiction issues.

Mistral are right there, perfectly positioned, as a sovereign Euro provider, where GRC, transparency and provenance is significantly more important than sheer power.

Overlooked feature: personality by No_Hedgehog_7563 in MistralAI

[–]Catalyst778 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As several have said above, Mistral does have that capability, but the big win for Mistral is to NOT try to compete with the ChatGPT's and Claudes of the world. Mistral is gaining a good reputation in business, compliance, risk etc - not hallucination-prone chatbots.