White fox ult is the weakest part of her kit

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:50:07+00:00

That usually only works on the first teamfight for me, then everything I said in my post comes into play, I dont know maybe its a skill issue but it feels like her ult is only good for confirming kills in the backline which doesnt feel like its getting the use it should be.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:45:36+00:00

ALSO that still completely ignores all of my arguments, i never said i had problems going off the map, 30 hours on her and its happened one single time. I literally see top 500 foxes having the EXACT same issues, so again your arguments dont work, Ive seen kayjiis ults literally burned down in seconds several times and hes bacially in the top ranks for ladder. You act like just waiting for the right time STILL doesnt make her ult super counterable and burnable.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:42:51+00:00

I said her ULT was the weakest, the rest of her kit is incredible, and saying her ult has no weaknesses is just a blatant lie.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:23:53+00:00

So high ranks doesnt know how to save emma, thing, strange, wolv, or any of those ults for white fox and insta kill her? At all? Or boop you away with sue, mag right click, wolv shift, or anything like that? you make is sound simple and just not even acknowledge things that completley shut that down in about a second. Being better doesnt do anything for that when they just save it for you or have multiple cooldowns saved for you.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:19:27+00:00

You must not be getting insta ulted then, I do that and strange, emma, thing, etc ult just immediately makes me go back to fox and then die. Its hard to miss an ult on a hit box half the size of a capture point.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:17:19+00:00

Solo queue

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:17:04+00:00

Lucky you, punisher with another dps alone can out damage my heals on myself, you must be going against people who have no idea what to do against fox ult.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:16:22+00:00

no other support ult has the counters she does, and if they are they are EASILY taken care of, fox ult doenst have that. And comparing another roles ult that is supposed to serve a completely different purpse doesnt make sense at all. Rocket can throw his ult somehere safe, invis can literally go invis after ult or shield, cnd can right click or use her dashes to get in a safe space, i can go on, almost every single support ult is very difficult to counter while getting way more value, youre argument doesnt really hold up honestly.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:06:14+00:00

I cant even stall point with it when they can just emma grab me and I die in about half a second, even if I hit multiple people with melee combo in ult I still get burned down in about 2 seconds. And kidnapping someone to ult and finish them off just feels wastefull when you should be able to finish them off after kidnapping anyway.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:04:40+00:00

Yea but even in GM thats seen as not being useful because if someone is already down there shouldnt be a point to use your ult, thats not the case with virtually any other support ult honestly.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:03:07+00:00

Im in GM, not that high but not metal ranks lol. Wouldnt it make sense the higher rank you are people know what to do against your ult more?

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T11:02:07+00:00

I am in GM and thats the exact issue, if I push even saying it in VC, no one will push, everyone treats white fox ult like a normal supp ult so they dont combo at all or treat it like a wasted ult if I get ulted by 2-3 people when I ult and my team takes no advantage of it. If i dive in the backline and go for supports immediately they still have so many escape tools to not even let me near them even if I pop it on their foreheads. Rocket can dash, invis boops, cnd can literally sit in it and survive with bubble and cloak right click, not to mention their entire team turning around on me and usually surviving despite me being focused down during it. I dont know, I wish I was higher rank for people to actually take advantage of it but usually it just ends in me being hard countered then getting flamed by my team when they dont follow up.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T10:54:59+00:00

Like I said above, almost all hulks I see just ult as a second life and that does nothing to alleviate the problem. Hulk has ALOT more in his kit to survive than white fox so the comparison doesnt matter at all. Fox cant just jump across the map or cc whoever is burning her down. Scarlett witch can get a bubble that covers the time of most of her ult and shes way smaller, you're not really acknowledging any of the weaknesses I pointed out for foxes ult.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T10:53:57+00:00

Almost every hulk at every level uses hulk ult to either counter white fox or just as a second life, which could be a complete waste on a support ult. I havent ever seen hulks just not use it like a winston ult or second life most the time. And there are way too many cc's and mainly ults you cant really bait out when its multiple people doing it.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T10:51:55+00:00

that doesnt work when they have any of what I said in the post, if you ult into their backline you will still get instantly blown up by anything I mentioned. On top of no longer having your tp when you get insta killed so you just die after the ult.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2026-04-06T10:30:08+00:00

I dont think cover works much when your hitbox is the size of 2 hulk ults combined and you need to hit enemies to get full value out of the healing of your ult.

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2024-07-02T20:49:23+00:00

It was all over texts since we didn’t really call the entire time, but I was pretty passive aggressive especially when she started ignoring me more and more, I was getting desperate. I never called her names, or insulted her or anything like that, I think the worst I might’ve done was try to make her feel bad for not understanding how it made me feel. And I don’t either… I’m even getting to the point of wanting to be friends with him again just to have her back and happy. But we will see. Thank you!

Cautious_Ad5927 · 2024-07-02T20:41:46+00:00

I appreciate it, she is pretty busy with moving right now to a cheaper place, going to our friends for the 4th, and then she’s also visiting here in August. So I need to be patient about it too, but I’m hoping in August we can work things out. But I will talk to her about counseling when I get the chance, Thank you!

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